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Assault Rifle Gun Ban?? an update I think!
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 16, 2009 2:16 pm    Post subject: Assault Rifle Gun Ban?? an update I think! Reply with quote

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The White House is vowing more enforcement of gun laws. But it is not pursuing a promise Obama made as a candidate: a ban on assault-style weapons.

That ban on military-style guns became law during the Clinton administration in 1994 but expired under the Bush administration in 2004. When Attorney General Eric Holder raised the idea of reinstating the ban this year, opposition from political persuasion that shall not be mentioned and Republicans emerged quickly.

Reopening the debate on gun rights is apparently a fight the White House does not want to take on right now.


I found this while reading a news article online. We may have fended off the surge for an assault rifle ban FOR NOW.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 16, 2009 2:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good - we see how well the gun bans work in Mexico Shocked
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 16, 2009 3:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

CastnBlast wrote:
Good - we see how well the gun bans work in Mexico Shocked


Thats because they are buying them from us.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 16, 2009 6:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think they are finally realizing that stricter national gun laws is political suicide. Look how many Congressmen lost their seats after the 94 ban passed. However don't be lulled into a false sense of security. They might not do it all at once, but it would be easier for them to do it a little at a time.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 16, 2009 9:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

They don't have to take the rifle all they have to do is that the ammo in one way or the other!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! watch for the snake in the grass they will get you when your not looking
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 16, 2009 10:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

have any of you looked at the ammo supply lately.. the shelves are empty..
not becuse everyone is buying up.. they cant get shipped to the retailers..
we can still buy the guns.. but not load them. or reload them..
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 17, 2009 5:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

snakecan2 wrote:
have any of you looked at the ammo supply lately.. the shelves are empty..
not becuse everyone is buying up.. they cant get shipped to the retailers..
we can still buy the guns.. but not load them. or reload them..


As far as I know the empty ammo shelves is only because the manufacturers can't keep up. As soon as a store gets ammo in stock, a few people come along a buy them out. It's the same story for online sales as well. Unless I missed something, we are our own worst enemy when it comes to finding available ammo.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 17, 2009 9:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Check out www.ammoengine.com
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 17, 2009 9:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Could someone please tell me why any law abiding citizen would want or need an assault rifle? Surely, no one uses them for hunting or even for target practice.

As I understand it, our policemen would like to see a ban on assault rifles because they are being shot at by criminals using them, and the assault rifles are used by the crazies who shoot up the schools, workplaces, and day care centers.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 17, 2009 10:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Could someone please tell me why any law abiding citizen would want or need an assault rifle? Surely, no one uses them for hunting or even for target practice.

As I understand it, our policemen would like to see a ban on assault rifles because they are being shot at by criminals using them, and the assault rifles are used by the crazies who shoot up the schools, workplaces, and day care centers.


The criminals and crazies will always be able to get their hands on whatever gun they want whether they are banned or not.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 17, 2009 10:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

fishinglady wrote:
Could someone please tell me why any law abiding citizen would want or need an assault rifle? Surely, no one uses them for hunting or even for target practice.

As I understand it, our policemen would like to see a ban on assault rifles because they are being shot at by criminals using them, and the assault rifles are used by the crazies who shoot up the schools, workplaces, and day care centers.


My wife has one and we use it for hunting and target practice. Don't forget that assault does not mean it is a machine gun. It is simply a sexy black semiautomatic rifle. You have to pull the trigger every time you shoot. Her's has an 18 inch bull barrel and is very fun to shoot target practice using it.

They can still go in there with a six shooter, knife or sword or pack a van with fertilizer and blow it up if they are really intent on killing people. There was a guy who killed six Japanese policemen with a knife.

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 17, 2009 10:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here is an example of "if they want it, they can get it".


Mexico police find machine gun, grenade in drug cartel's arsenal

12:00 AM CDT on Wednesday, April 15, 2009

E. Eduardo Castillo, The Associated Press

MEXICO CITY – A woman was arrested guarding an arsenal that included an anti-aircraft machine gun – the first weapon of its kind seized in Mexico, police said Tuesday.

The arsenal belonged to a group linked to the Beltran Leyva drug cartel, federal police coordinator Rodolfo Cruz said. It also included ammunition, five rifles, a grenade and part of a grenade launcher.

Mexican drug cartels' higher-powered weapons, even military-grade arms such as grenades and machine guns, have left police grossly outgunned.

Cruz said the confiscated .50-caliber anti-aircraft machine gun can fire 800 rounds per minute and is capable of penetrating armor from more than 5,000 feet. Police on a routine patrol Monday found the gun fitted atop an SUV at a house in northern Sonora state.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 17, 2009 11:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

mrwhitefolx wrote:
snakecan2 wrote:
have any of you looked at the ammo supply lately.. the shelves are empty..
not becuse everyone is buying up.. they cant get shipped to the retailers..
we can still buy the guns.. but not load them. or reload them..


As far as I know the empty ammo shelves is only because the manufacturers can't keep up. As soon as a store gets ammo in stock, a few people come along a buy them out. It's the same story for online sales as well. Unless I missed something, we are our own worst enemy when it comes to finding available ammo.


That's exactly what's happening. No one is making/shipping any less ammo. Just a few people buying crap loads of ammo.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 17, 2009 11:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is what I heard about ammo. Don't know if it's true. Sounds like it is.


Georgia Arms is the 5th
> largest retailer of
> .223 Ammo in America
> . (they sell 9 mm, .45, etc ammo)
>
>
>
> They normally buy spent brass from the
> US Dept of Defense -
> 'one time used' shell casings by our Military -
> from training on Military
> bases, etc. They buy the brass and then re-load
> for resale to Law
> Enforcement, Gun Shops, Gun Clubs, Wal-Mart, and etc.
>
>
>
> They normally buy 30,000 lbs of spent
> brass at a time.
>
>
>
> This week the DoD wrote a letter to the
> owner of Georgia Arms
> and sai d that from now on the DoD will be destroying
> the brass - shredding
> it. It is no longer available to the Ammo makers
> - unless they just
> buy it in a scrap shredded condition (which they have
> no use for).
> The shredded brass is NOW going to be sold by the DoD
> to
> China as
> scrap metal....after the DoD pays for it to be
> shredded. The DoD is selling
> the brass to China for less money than Ammo
> manufacturers have been
> paying....plus the DoD has to pay to have the brass
> shredded and do all the
> accounting paperwork. That sure helps the
> US economy now, doesn't it?
> Sell cheaper to China -
> and do not sell shells at all to a proven
> US business. Any agenda
> working here???? Obama going after our ammunition!!!!!
>
>
>
>
> The Georgia Arms owner even related a
> story that one of his
> competitors had already purchased a load of brass last
> week - and the DoD
> contacted him this week and said they were sending
> someone over to make
> sure it was destroyed. Shell Casings he had
> already bought! THE
> BRASS HAS NO VALUE TO THE AMMO MAKER IF IT IS
> DESTROYED/SHREDDED/MELTED. THE AMMO MANUFACTURER
> ONLY USES THE EMPTY
> BRASS SHELLS TO RELOAD DIFFERENT CALIBERS - MAINLY .223
> BULLETS.
>
>
>
> Georgia Arms owner says that he will
> have to lay off at least
> Half of his 60 workers, within 2 - 3 months if the DoD
> no longer sells thei
> r spent brass to him. He has 2 - 3 months inventory of
> shells to use.
> By summer - he's out. If he has to buy new
> manufactured brass shells, then
> the cost of ammunitioin to the buyer will double and
> triple...plus Obama
> wants to add a 500% tax on each shell.
>
>
>
> You can read more info and see the DoD
> letter to Georgia Arms
> here:
>
>
>
> The Shootist Site
>
> http://www.theshootist.net/
>
>
>
>
> Georgia Arms Site:
>
> http://georgia-arms.com/
>
>
>
>
> Loss of US jobs, control of ammunition
> by the new Obama
> administration....liberalism at its best and on the way
> to socialism. When
> times get bad...and they will very soon...only the bad
> will have guns and
> ammo. This new "Obomanation" is going to make
> good citizens into
> criminals by trying to take our guns and ammo.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 17, 2009 12:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

OK, I was wrong. Some law abiding citizens do use the guns for target practice and hunting. [I also had thought an assault gun was automatic rather than semi-automatic]. I'm not naive enough to think making something illegal will prevent people from getting their hands on something....look at drugs and at the failure of Prohibition. Hey, maybe we should legalize drugs and tax them like tobacco and alcohol. Might help put a dent in the national debt.

I wonder if the ammo shortage is partly being caused by the drug cartel wars in Mexico? With all the shooting going on down there and along the border, they must be burning through ammo at a rapid clip.
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