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Injured fish; what to do.
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bk005
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 20, 2008 11:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

One interesting note, is that a fish will bleed like crazy on the surface, but stick him back in the water, and the blood will coagulate rapidly. Our blood is that exact opposite. Just something to keep in mind. I give lots of hooks away each year, instead of gutting an under or oversized fish. Ive cleaned Reds with 1/2 PVC elbows in there stomach, so I know there hardy.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 20, 2008 11:52 am    Post subject: bad Reply with quote

there is only one stupid question and that is A QUESTION NOT ASKED.
how can we even know what each other thinks if we don't ask, don't talk or don't understand. i may not agree with you but i will normally allow you to have your opinion.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 20, 2008 1:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Circle and wide gap hooks are both designed to reduce the chance of a fish swallowing the hook. In my experience they both work better than a J hook for that purpose.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 20, 2008 1:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

have to agree wit the forum
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 20, 2008 1:45 pm    Post subject: Re: flounder should be an exception... Reply with quote

gonefishing wrote:
I think TPW should consider a different policy for gigged flounder because there is no real way to measure before gigging. I'm pretty good eyeballing them nowadays, but I still have to sometimes let one die. It would be far better to allow one per catch to be undersized by a specified amount or, even better, issue a couple "undersize-gigged" flounder tags per license.

-Michael


I think you're missing the part about no gray area here. If you're not sure the fish will make the limit, don't gig it. That simple.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 20, 2008 2:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What texmike said

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 20, 2008 3:22 pm    Post subject: Getting hooks out Reply with quote

Actually, I can't remember the last time I left a hook in a fishes mouth, even when hooked deep in its throat. Get a pair of surgical forceps and come in through the gills, grab it at the top, turn the hook so you turn it towards the point, and usually you can push it out and not leave the hook. If you can't push it, use a pair of pliers to grab it at the bend and pull it out. It will suprise you how many hooks just pop right out. I have done this on crappie that were to small as well.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 20, 2008 4:10 pm    Post subject: Re: flounder should be an exception... Reply with quote

topdog15 wrote:
gonefishing wrote:
I think TPW should consider a different policy for gigged flounder because there is no real way to measure before gigging. I'm pretty good eyeballing them nowadays, but I still have to sometimes let one die. It would be far better to allow one per catch to be undersized by a specified amount or, even better, issue a couple "undersize-gigged" flounder tags per license.

-Michael


I think you're missing the part about no gray area here. If you're not sure the fish will make the limit, don't gig it. That simple.


I'm saying there should be, specifically for flounder. It's not an exact science.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 20, 2008 4:53 pm    Post subject: Re: flounder should be an exception... Reply with quote

gonefishing wrote:
topdog15 wrote:
gonefishing wrote:
I think TPW should consider a different policy for gigged flounder because there is no real way to measure before gigging. I'm pretty good eyeballing them nowadays, but I still have to sometimes let one die. It would be far better to allow one per catch to be undersized by a specified amount or, even better, issue a couple "undersize-gigged" flounder tags per license.

-Michael


I think you're missing the part about no gray area here. If you're not sure the fish will make the limit, don't gig it. That simple.


I'm saying there should be, specifically for flounder. It's not an exact science.


It's also difficult sometimes to tell a spike buck from a doe at a distance or for me to be able to identify which species of duck is flying in from a distance during there various seasons. It's not always easy to know right away what you are about to shoot, but just like gigging , once I pull the trigger I am responsible for what I have shot. It is very easy to just let a questionable deer move on or a duck I'm not sure about fly over until I can tell for sure that I am not going to put a second pintail or third redhead in my bag. Maybe just float or walk on by those questionable flounder and wait for the big mama.
This also is not meant as an attack on you or anyone else, and I realize that it is very difficult to accurately judge the size of a fish under water, but if it's me I will err on the side of caution every single time.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 20, 2008 5:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

sacourt97 wrote:
Thank you, and I'm sorry if I offended you more experienced fishermen with my question. I'm not as good as you guys with 400+posts, so I just like to learn as much as I can. I appreciate the wisdom and advice. And just so you know, I did cut the leader line very close to the hook and threw him back. Hope everyone has a good week.


I don't think you should have offended anyone with that question. Its a good question, and one I have pondered with gut hooked fish before.

Answer, put it back in the water. It will not go to waste as stated prior.

Also, use circle or wide gape hooks, as these tend to not gut hook as often, normally they end up right in the corner of the mouth, easy to remove. You have to get used to not setting the hook with these though, as the fish will hook itself.

Good question. tight lines and good luck! Cool
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 20, 2008 6:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

not a dumb question at all . i was kinda wondering the same thing . have never kept one though, just to be on the safe side . . .
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 20, 2008 6:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Very good question. If its legal keep it if it ain't throw it back in the water and let nature take its course.

Flounder metabolize pretty quick and will dislodge hooks in a matter of hours.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 20, 2008 8:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's easy: use circle hooks and most of those gut hooking problems never happen to begin with!!! They have ALWAYS worked better for me than anything else with fish that take a bait fully in the mouth and swim off, which is most every saltwater fish that I have caught with the exception of sheepshead and spadefish; they are nibblers. I know that there are some VERY good guides down there that cuss them, but that's because they can't get their clients to JUST REEL when the fish takes the bait!!! Shocked

When I DO get a fish that's gut hooked, I can usually thread a pair of needle nose pliers CAREFULLY under the gills and then pull the line until I can see the shank of the hook. Then, I grab the shank in the pliers and spin it 180 degrees AWAY from the point. That will usually dislodge the hook from the gullet with little damage. Wink
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 20, 2008 8:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think that you would do the right thing by letting it go back injured or not. I can't believe the people who catch undersize fish and then flaunt it on a stringer as they walk by. I would rather see it float by injured than flaunted like "what are you going to do about it" Rolling Eyes . So never feel bad about putting an injured fish back to the water.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 20, 2008 9:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Deep hooked & undersized just cut the line & re-tie.....2nd circle hooks.
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