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Stump · Posted: Thu Mar 09, 2006 8:24 am Post subject:

MY TAKE ON GUIDES

For all of you that moved out of your fishing hole just because a guide showed up need to get a grip. These people (guides) DO NOT OWN THE WATER!!!!!!!!!!. I can't even remember all of the run ins I've had with freakin guides over my many years of saltwater fishing. So what if they are making a living on everyone elses resources, that's not your problem. I used to have the guides start the touch down signal as I approached rocks in Baffin that they beat me to, but since my boat is now recognized, they leave me alone.
I've also had the same guides show up at areas I was fishing and show absolutely no respect for you being there first and bale out of the boat with all of their clients and start wading within my own casting distance.
There are some respectful guides, but there are very few. I've fished with numerous guides in the CC area and so far have not been impressed with their courtesy towards other fishermen.
This problem with "territory" will only get worse with time, as more guys think they can make a living fishing. Believe me, baby sitting strangers that don't know how to fish is not that glamourous. Personnaly, I love fishing too much to get to the point I don't look forward to going.
I'm sure some of the guides that read this thread might get a little touchy with my comments, but I doubt they will disagree with them.

Just venting! All of you young fishermen should stand your ground (water)!

51baldeagle · Horse Mullet Joined: 06 Mar 2006 Posts: 169

My piont of view,is it save's everybody time,I don't think everybody is in the same honey hole all of the time,and as far as GUIDES,I was not aware of property lines issue out on water,what now honey hole property TAXES? My 3 pennies. Shocked

Capt Mike Singleterry · Full Grown Flour Bluffian Joined: 07 Mar 2006 Posts: 2728

Hey Stump....Sorry you have had so many bad experiences with close GUIDE contact. I like you can't remember when I have had so many
run-ins with freakin weekend-warriors over my many years of fishing. I also have had the same weekend-warriors show up with absolutly no respect for me being there first and come within casting distance of my boat. There are some respectful weekend fishermen out there but very few. I have also fished with many people from the CC area and so far have not been impressed with their courtesy toward other fishermen or the great resource we have been blessed with. Your correct about the problem with "territory", the problem will only get worse as time goes on.
Again, you are correct about baby sitting strangers that don't know how to fish, it's not glamourous but these are citizens and residents of the United States and have the right to fish how and where it's legal to do so. If hiring a guide because they don't have a boat or come from Midland Tx is how they want to fish then until someone changes the law, so be it.
I read alot on this board about fishing "spots" the way I look at it is there are alot of fishing "spots" out there that hold just as many fish as the one someone might have beat me to.
By the way if anyone moves from a fishing spot because a guide or weekend-warrior tells them to do so is "STUPID"

Thanks for the opportunity to vent. I"ll go crawl back under my rock now.

Mike

MJW · Posted: Thu Mar 09, 2006 2:47 pm Post subject:

Sounds like a nice day out on the water..I love hearing the difference of oppinions
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ripalip · Posted: Thu Mar 09, 2006 3:42 pm Post subject:

Flatstalker- I've been fishing that area for many years ,along with many others and If someone ask me where I got the fish I will tell them. The vast majority of folks that ask are new to the sport and need all the help they can get. I have gone back to a spot the next day and seen them catching fish. It makes me feel good to see others sharing in the fun of fishing. There are no secret places anymore, the secret is how to catch them and that changes with conditions. The only way to learn that secret is to fish often and fish hard. Glad you had a good day.
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Stump · Posted: Thu Mar 09, 2006 3:49 pm Post subject:

Capt. Mike,

I thought you would reply to my comments, but is sounds like we have experienced the same problems, but from different perspectives. It's ironic you discussed people from Midland, because I spent 20 years there working in the oil patch and have made many trips down here to fish during my vacations (two weeks each year for 12 years straight). I'm a native south Texan, just got misdirected for a few years. My wife asked where we will vacate now that we have finally moved here and so far we just hang out at the cabin at Baffin (I love that girl!).
Thanks for your insight and I've only heard good things about you and your fishing business. Good luck on the water and with the weekend warriors, who also irritate me, that's why I quit fishing Aransas. I'm getting to know Capt. Black, who is also a class act.
Later Captain!

kyle · Posted: Thu Mar 09, 2006 4:24 pm Post subject:

Im willing to bet Mr. Singleterry doesnt fall into the category of guides mentioned earlier. When i first got stationed back in corpus i took a side job delivering pizzas and delivered one to Mr. Singleterry, I recognized him on this site and sent him an emial, he told me to stop by anytime and b.s. about fishing, i have emailed him a few times and stopped by before and he was always quick to give me a few reccomendations of spots where he had been catching fish and where i should try out if i didnt have a boat, and told me what bait to use and how to rig it, i have met a few other guides who were equally as kind and willing to share their knowledge with me, i have also howwever come across guides who are like the ones mentioned earlier but at the same time come across more people who arent guides that are more rude and disrespectful, on more than one ocassion ive had boaters pull up right in front of where i was drifting in my kayak and anchor and had others come by and create wakes big enough to soak me while im sitting in the kayak, theres always gonna be jerks wherever you go fishing guides or not, just dont let them get to you, and if i guide does tell you to leave a spot and your in your boat just follow him around for the day and consider it a free trip
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Capt Mike Singleterry · Full Grown Flour Bluffian Joined: 07 Mar 2006 Posts: 2728

Stump.....Baffin is a wonderful place. I grew up down there but over the years have been really turned off by the over-Hype that the "BIG GIRL" has gotten. It's sad to see that fishery going the way of the world, way to many floating cabins and out of town guides. Alot of the guides come from all over the state to fish Baffin with their clients. They bring with them the same mindset they have fishing their home waters like Galveston Bay and Port O'Conner. I heard some of these guys talk about the bay as if they know all about her and in fact it's hard to know about anything you haven't been around but for a short time.
I think I saw something you wrote about the next state record coming from Nueces Bay. Keep that under your hat, in my opinion your as close to right as a person can be.

Well back under my rock....
Mike

OH YEA.....Hello Kyle...and thanks for the kind words

troutless · Posted: Thu Mar 09, 2006 7:36 pm Post subject:

I agree with Bluffer, I fish CC maybe once a year if that much. I just need a general area, and I can do the rest by myself. When fishing the Galveston area and somone needs help I try to help them, and put them on some fish.

Monty

Bayslammer · Posted: Thu Mar 09, 2006 8:32 pm Post subject:

Let me clarify since I am the one who moved on after being overrun by a guide. First of all I am not bashing guides, I respect most of them and admire what they do. I was fishing the cabins in the meadows this particular time and this guide claimed to have been a "part owner". I could have argued with him but instead moved to avoid a conflict. I was in the water near the cabin and had every right to fish there. I moved across the flat and fished a spoil island that produced that day regardless. I am not intimidated by others on the water but in this particular case I chose to move on. I understand Capt. Singleterry's frustration with "weekend warriors". I work a full time job and have to fish on the weekends myself. I hope I can avoid this label by setting an example on the water. Etiquette and conservation are a high priority on my ventures. Bashing guides and other people are not my intentions on this site. I want to share fishing with my kids and conserve our fishery for them to enjoy.

kyle · Posted: Thu Mar 09, 2006 9:14 pm Post subject:

WELL SAID
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barnaclebill · Horse Mullet Joined: 08 Mar 2006 Posts: 139

I've been fishing with a guide only a couple of times, once when I won a trip on a benefit raffle, another when a guide accompanied a group during a fishing trip.
When the industry of guiding really started to grow I wasn't all that happy about it,, seemed like more and more people were on the water. I have pulled up to a place I had fished for 20 years only to find a dozen or so boats in the vicinity. It was really fustrating to try to quietly slip between a couple of them, only to be harassed and cussed at. Needless to say I wasn't really impressed with some of the guys,, although I didn't know who they were.
But, getting back to the few guides I've become familiar with in the last few years, I will say that they have really made me soften my stance to the industry. I'm not going to mention any names, but they will know who they are. the vast majority of guides I've met, and the guys I've fished with were courteous,, readily available to share knowledge, and mostly just fun to be around.
I think the guys who aren't trying to get along will eventually get weeded out. We need to remember with better rigs, tackle, more spare time on our hands, and monetary resourses, the waters are going to get a little crowded on occasions.
I think the best thing you can do if you're harrassed on the water is get on some of the local websites and let folks know about it,, describe the person's boat if you don't know who they are,, if it's a "weekend warrior" he may see and reconsider his actions in the future, if it's a guide most like he will get some negative feedback about it,, knowing this could cost him money if clients may reconsider hiring him..

Just my .02
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Ryk2506 · Posted: Thu Mar 09, 2006 11:09 pm Post subject:

Man, what a discussion this turned out to be. Fishing has gotten harder in the last few years, a lot more people and a lot more guides are both making it more difficult to catch fish. I've seen bad behavior on the water more from weekend warriors actually than guides, but that's just me.
The truth is, the weekend warriors are just that, guys fishing on weekends and days off...........we don't hammer the fish every day. The guides try and hammer them every day, including weekends. That's what it's all about for them and the guys they take out..........the picture on the dock, or at the boat, of just a sick amount of fish. That's what sells trips.
If a "weekend warrior" goes fishing, he might just fish until noon or so, it's his recreation, not his job..........but guides stay out there all day, trying to put together a "box" of fish for that big picture and to make the customers feel like they got their money's worth. Just check the guides websights and look at the pics.
I'm not trying to slam the guides, I know some and they are great guys, and a lot of people get to learn about fishing this way. Guides are here to stay. But it is what it is. Anyway, I just try and stay away from the crowds, maybe that's where the best fishing is. Also, just my .02.