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HungerBuster
Flour Bluffian in training
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You guys [AKA ALL GUYS] need to go have a beer together, grab some oysters and freakin go fish together. This is ridiculous. I am just happy that the few dozen people who actually give a turd about the issue have a forum to discuss it. Whether it be here, or at a PIM. Give it a rest, or give it a vote. Have a beer, grab a rod and reel. And grow the heck up.
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apfb
Horse Mullet
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| rodandroll wrote: | I would also like to suggest that the Oso railroad trestle bridge may be grandfathered if in fact marine traffic can not get past it. However, if anyone seeks to rebuild it current navigation law would have to be taken into effect in doing so. Failure to rebuild it in accordance with it being considered a navigable waterway would invite a lawsuit to correct such an error. That would be what I, as a lawyer with over 41 years experience in property law, would call a slam dunk.
Living on the upper reaches of the Guadalupe river for the last 55 years, I have seen many examples of violations of the navigable stream laws. Did you know it can be enforced by a private citizen by civil suit. I have personally been involved in several such suits. I has been a real pleasure to see rich elitists from Commiefornia, up North, and the East Coast get to spend hundreds of thousands of dollars to remove dams, barriers, and other crap they thought they could put up on the river to bar access to us local hayseeds. In fact, in every case I know of, the parties alleging navigable waterway have won. |
30ft width from bank to bank is a navigable stream. Very easy to find. I would not think you can grandfather in a new modification to a structure when the "original" tracks are no longer existing. Pilings in the water might be grandfathered, but putting in new wood and structure would not I would think.
I spent 18months fishing around sabine and west Louisiana not that long ago. An amazing fishery, but very sad about their water access laws in that state. Its something that im fairly passionate about. This is gods water, we will fish it. |
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Salt On the Brain
Horse Mullet
Joined: 09 Sep 2015
Posts: 234
Location: Flour Bluff, TX
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| Posted: Sun Jul 10, 2022 2:46 pm Post subject: |
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I think everyone is missing what is happening here.
The city has been dumping its homeless and junkies in The Bluff for years.
Then they support local charities that encourage their behavior.
SPID is not a safe way for them to get here, and Yorktown is too far on foot.
This is going to become a superhighway for crime.
Drugs, theft, and vagrancy will all increase here, especially in proximity to the old Holly Rd.
I am actually looking forward to riding my bike there, but I am not under any illusions about their motivation.
Once again, they are making their problems our problems.
At least make them pay more, even if it is only for a taller bridge.
LF
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Rxfire
Member White Shrimper Boot Club
Joined: 16 Apr 2016
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Location: Flour Bluff
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| Posted: Sun Jul 10, 2022 3:18 pm Post subject: |
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Be berry afwaid! Karwen is gwan screw up yo life!
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apfb
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| Posted: Sun Jul 10, 2022 6:49 pm Post subject: |
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| Salt On the Brain wrote: | I think everyone is missing what is happening here.
The city has been dumping its homeless and junkies in The Bluff for years.
Then they support local charities that encourage their behavior.
SPID is not a safe way for them to get here, and Yorktown is too far on foot.
This is going to become a superhighway for crime.
Drugs, theft, and vagrancy will all increase here, especially in proximity to the old Holly Rd.
I am actually looking forward to riding my bike there, but I am not under any illusions about their motivation.
Once again, they are making their problems our problems.
At least make them pay more, even if it is only for a taller bridge.
LF |
Whats sad is that CCPD has openly admitted that they will not pursue charges on people caught on film dumping. It was brought up to them to setup surveillance cameras on a DVR system to record, but they refused to do anything. I had a CCPD dispatcher hang up on me because I literally wanted a officer to come look at my phone after I video'ed people dumping and made them load the crap back in their toyota suv. Blake and Debbie covered it pretty solid last week one morning on the radio, Corpus is a group of about 30 people that won't let the town modernize and actually deal with real problems. Its been that way since the 90s... |
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Central Scrutinizer
Full Grown Flour Bluffian
Joined: 14 Jul 2009
Posts: 3585
Location: Flour Bluff
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| Posted: Mon Jul 11, 2022 10:29 am Post subject: |
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| apfb wrote: | | Its been that way since the 90s... |
The 90's.... THE 90's!!!!! Hahahahahahahahaha. That's cute.  |
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Rebecca of Sunnybrookfarm
Full Grown Flour Bluffian
Joined: 01 May 2008
Posts: 3974
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| Posted: Tue Jul 12, 2022 8:05 am Post subject: |
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| rodandroll wrote: | | I would also like to suggest that the Oso railroad trestle bridge may be grandfathered if in fact marine traffic can not get past it. However, if anyone seeks to rebuild it current navigation law would have to be taken into effect in doing so. |
well, that's the issue at this point....the trestles were built in the 1950's, and have not been "navigable" for over 65+ years....all of a sudden, a storm knocked out a section and a handful of people have been exploiting it for a few years (ok 5 or 6, apfb, whatever)....
the trestles weren't designed to be navigable in the first place...so there's no "restoring" access...on a rebuild, you would be "creating" where it didn't exist before (plus the advent of cat boats, etc, apfb, yes, I have a boat with a tunnel that goes to east jesus and run all those places you mentioned)....
so, there's two points to raising at least one section of the trestles for a rebuild....how high? ADA says 12% slope max....and who's going to come up with the extra 1-3 million dollars to raise it? it becomes cost prohibitive VERY QUICKLY each foot you raise it up...
second, in the permitting process, the resource agencies will want an alternatives analysis, and probably a couple of studies completed regarding "officially" opening that entire body of water up to boat traffic, where virtually none existed before except in certain areas....and then who's going to pay for the consultants to study that for a year? maybe two (because the USACE is completely backlogged)....
hey, I'm not saying don't build it to where apfb can't get through it, I'm saying it's going to cost a lot of additional money and several years in permitting....
don't shoot the messenger folks....
becky
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| Central Scrutinizer wrote: | | Thanks for the Memories, Ranger Rick. |
| ziacatcher wrote: | | However I bet if you were fishing naked Ranger Rick would have a problem with that |
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ziacatcher
Full Grown Flour Bluffian
Joined: 22 Dec 2008
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Location: The Bluff
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| Posted: Tue Jul 12, 2022 9:41 am Post subject: |
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| I don't know about all the different issues and government stuff, all I know is I would like to have the trestles repaired again so I can take my grandkids and great grandkids out there floundering and fishing. When my kids were younger they used to love to go out there. I'm sure of the grandkids and great grandkids would have a blast also |
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Rebecca of Sunnybrookfarm
Full Grown Flour Bluffian
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| Posted: Tue Jul 12, 2022 10:03 am Post subject: |
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| ziacatcher wrote: | | I don't know about all the different issues and government stuff, all I know is I would like to have the trestles repaired again so I can take my grandkids and great grandkids out there floundering and fishing. When my kids were younger they used to love to go out there. I'm sure of the grandkids and great grandkids would have a blast also |
agreed, my dad and I went a lot during the fall runs back in the 80's and caught a lot of flounder and croaker....a bunch of people did, it was great...that's what the goal is, get it back to where people can walk out, or even bicycle across...
becky
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| Central Scrutinizer wrote: | | Thanks for the Memories, Ranger Rick. |
| ziacatcher wrote: | | However I bet if you were fishing naked Ranger Rick would have a problem with that |
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rodandroll
Full Grown Flour Bluffian
Joined: 17 Jan 2007
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Location: Kerrville, Tx
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| Posted: Tue Jul 12, 2022 11:47 pm Post subject: |
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| Rebecca of Sunnybrookfarm wrote: | | rodandroll wrote: | | I would also like to suggest that the Oso railroad trestle bridge may be grandfathered if in fact marine traffic can not get past it. However, if anyone seeks to rebuild it current navigation law would have to be taken into effect in doing so. |
well, that's the issue at this point....the trestles were built in the 1950's, and have not been "navigable" for over 65+ years....all of a sudden, a storm knocked out a section and a handful of people have been exploiting it for a few years (ok 5 or 6, apfb, whatever)....
the trestles weren't designed to be navigable in the first place...so there's no "restoring" access...on a rebuild, you would be "creating" where it didn't exist before (plus the advent of cat boats, etc, apfb, yes, I have a boat with a tunnel that goes to east jesus and run all those places you mentioned)....
so, there's two points to raising at least one section of the trestles for a rebuild....how high? ADA says 12% slope max....and who's going to come up with the extra 1-3 million dollars to raise it? it becomes cost prohibitive VERY QUICKLY each foot you raise it up...
second, in the permitting process, the resource agencies will want an alternatives analysis, and probably a couple of studies completed regarding "officially" opening that entire body of water up to boat traffic, where virtually none existed before except in certain areas....and then who's going to pay for the consultants to study that for a year? maybe two (because the USACE is completely backlogged)....
hey, I'm not saying don't build it to where apfb can't get through it, I'm saying it's going to cost a lot of additional money and several years in permitting....
don't shoot the messenger folks....
becky |
No matter what knocked the trestles out it is still a rebuild. I never said anything about "restoring" access. As I said, if you rebuild it, Texas Stream Navigation law applies to the rebuild. It is not an issue of cost. It is an issue of law. If it gets rebuilt without following Stream Navigation law there is a problem. If I was still practicing I would love to have that case as all the arguments you presented are irrelevant to the issue of following Stream Navigation law. Based on the Stream Navigation law cases I have studied, followed, and litigated, this would be what we like to call a "slam dunk".
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Rebecca of Sunnybrookfarm
Full Grown Flour Bluffian
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| Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2022 12:09 pm Post subject: |
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| rodandroll wrote: | | If I was still practicing I would love to have that case as all the arguments you presented are irrelevant to the issue of following Stream Navigation law. Based on the Stream Navigation law cases I have studied, followed, and litigated, this would be what we like to call a "slam dunk". |
well, seems like you wouldn't have to lift a pinky....reach out to apfb and get it done...mire it in legalities and nothing will get done....but then again, thats what happens....a few squeaky wheels block progress for the masses...
or how does that saying go? this is why we can't have nice things?
Zia, looks like you and I and the rest of the 300,000 people in this town are going to have to just wish because apfb JUST HAS to fish the middle of the Oso, and rodandroll has a hardon for me
oh well....it was a fun idea to actually give other people fishing access besides apfb....enjoy buddy! hope you win lots of tournaments!
becky
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| Central Scrutinizer wrote: | | Thanks for the Memories, Ranger Rick. |
| ziacatcher wrote: | | However I bet if you were fishing naked Ranger Rick would have a problem with that |
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rodandroll
Full Grown Flour Bluffian
Joined: 17 Jan 2007
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Location: Kerrville, Tx
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| Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2022 10:41 pm Post subject: |
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| Rebecca of Sunnybrookfarm wrote: | | rodandroll wrote: | | If I was still practicing I would love to have that case as all the arguments you presented are irrelevant to the issue of following Stream Navigation law. Based on the Stream Navigation law cases I have studied, followed, and litigated, this would be what we like to call a "slam dunk". |
well, seems like you wouldn't have to lift a pinky....reach out to apfb and get it done...mire it in legalities and nothing will get done....but then again, thats what happens....a few squeaky wheels block progress for the masses...
or how does that saying go? this is why we can't have nice things?
Zia, looks like you and I and the rest of the 300,000 people in this town are going to have to just wish because apfb JUST HAS to fish the middle of the Oso, and rodandroll has a hardon for me
oh well....it was a fun idea to actually give other people fishing access besides apfb....enjoy buddy! hope you win lots of tournaments!
becky |
My, my, my what a spoiled little child you become when you are wrong and don't get your way. I was a messenger and just stated the law.
I no longer respond to spoiled little children. It is a waste of my time and it is time for you to can you childlike whining and moaning.
If you don't like the Stream Navigation law then stop your whining and moaning and get your cabal of 30 or so to get it changed. As long as it is the law you will live with it like everyone else.
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Southeast Of Disorder
Horse Mullet
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| Posted: Thu Jul 14, 2022 6:32 am Post subject: |
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SEE....... Becky is the Karen of the Bluff, Know it all and if you do not agree turns Karen. with name calling with insults.
Wish Tyler would eliminate this nascence
Just be glad you don't live next door to it. |
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rodandroll
Full Grown Flour Bluffian
Joined: 17 Jan 2007
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Location: Kerrville, Tx
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| Posted: Thu Jul 14, 2022 10:45 am Post subject: |
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| Southeast Of Disorder wrote: | SEE....... Becky is the Karen of the Bluff, Know it all and if you do not agree turns Karen. with name calling with insults.
Wish Tyler would eliminate this nascence
Just be glad you don't live next door to it. |
Nah, we need to keep Sunny, and we occasionally need some fights like this. Helps keep the board alive. Did anyone notice the view count was only 27. A few years back it would have been close to 1000 when a good fight was going on. Anyone remember the epic battles with Bama Red?
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Rebecca of Sunnybrookfarm
Full Grown Flour Bluffian
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| Posted: Thu Jul 14, 2022 10:47 am Post subject: |
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| rodandroll wrote: |
Nah, we need to keep Sunny, and we occasionally need some fights like this. Helps keep the board alive. Did anyone notice the view count was only 27. A few years back it would have been close to 1000 when a good fight was going on. Anyone remember the epic battles with Bama Red? |
I know, right? or he-that-shall-not-be-named? EPIC threads....
becky
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| ziacatcher wrote: | | However I bet if you were fishing naked Ranger Rick would have a problem with that |
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