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Rebecca of Sunnybrookfarm
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| Central Scrutinizer wrote: | I have been on a party boat and watched the steady stream of throwbacks litter the surface for hundreds of yards. Which is worse, the commercial guy hitting his quota with only a slight bit of release mortality (1 or 2 throwbacks for every 10 fish kept) or the rec side of hitting the quota with a huge amount of release mortality (30 - 40 throwbacks for every 10 fish kept)?
And those are realistic numbers, mind you. |
and see, that's horse hockey....the headboats have their own quota, which means that they should have their own discards and hence overage/discard buffer in THEIR SECTOR....
private recs getting screwed yet again....you want your own sector, you pay the price....don't bootstrap it on to us....I would argue that private recs have one of the lowest, if not THE lowest discard mortality now that the headboat discard monkey is off our back...
becky
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| Central Scrutinizer wrote: | | Thanks for the Memories, Ranger Rick. |
| ziacatcher wrote: | | However I bet if you were fishing naked Ranger Rick would have a problem with that |
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deputydawg
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| Posted: Thu Jun 15, 2017 8:47 am Post subject: |
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| Central Scrutinizer wrote: | I wouldn't call a 1% difference a majority, although I suppose technically it is. It's a 51-49% Split. The rec side is in no way TINY.
And I know there is lots of perceived animosity at the way the commercial guys operate, but they have way stricter regulations on them, have the most extreme reporting requirements, and have to account for every fish.
While it's true they have a smaller minimum size, think about it from the larger perspective. Less release mortality = less pressure on the stock. I can't count the number of times I have been on a party boat and watched the steady stream of throwbacks litter the surface for hundreds of yards. Which is worse, the commercial guy hitting his quota with only a slight bit of release mortality (1 or 2 throwbacks for every 10 fish kept) or the rec side of hitting the quota with a huge amount of release mortality (30 - 40 throwbacks for every 10 fish kept)?
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I never really thought about it that way.....
Are there any real numbers on release morality? I always wonder if the "venting" done really does any good? I'm going on a 24 hour trip this weekend so will surely see it done.
I appreciate all the info you've put on here and your opinion. |
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Rebecca of Sunnybrookfarm
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| Posted: Thu Jun 15, 2017 8:54 am Post subject: |
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| deputydawg wrote: |
Are there any real numbers on release morality? I always wonder if the "venting" done really does any good? I'm going on a 24 hour trip this weekend so will surely see it done.
I appreciate all the info you've put on here and your opinion. |
yes, there are...what C.S. is forgetting is that the comm's at least HAD a "discard mortality rate.... to 82% in the western Gulf." I wouldn't call that low...that's from SEDAR 7...not sure it's the same today, but that's the way it was.....and they have NO discard penalty, and NO overage buffer...
that number is from page 30, third paragraph of the R.S. IFQ 5-year review paper found right here.... some very intriguing reading, actually....
http://archive.gulfcouncil.org/docs//amendments/Red%20Snapper%205-year%20Review%20FINAL.pdf
becky
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| Central Scrutinizer wrote: | | Thanks for the Memories, Ranger Rick. |
| ziacatcher wrote: | | However I bet if you were fishing naked Ranger Rick would have a problem with that |
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Central Scrutinizer
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| Posted: Thu Jun 15, 2017 8:55 am Post subject: |
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| deputydawg wrote: | | Are there any real numbers on release morality? |
In the summer, when we get to have our season, in Federal waters (the combination of high surface temperature depth each play a role] Upwards of 80% of released fish die.
| deputydawg wrote: | | I always wonder if the "venting" done really does any good? I'm going on a 24 hour trip this weekend so will surely see it done. |
No, not really. Which is why the 'venting tool required on board' rule went away. |
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Oil Field Trash II
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| Posted: Thu Jun 15, 2017 3:29 pm Post subject: |
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I still argue the difference in commercial and recreational is that because of the way commercial boats fish, they are a bigger impact to the resource.
35 recreational boats leave the dock on saturday, each with 5 guys. that's a maxi,um of 350 fish for the day. Chances are, they are going to fish in at least 15-20 different spots. so roughly 10-12 guys fishing any particular "spot" for the day, pulling off a max of 20-25 fish.
now take the commercial boat. They are going to park the boat over a spot, and attempt to catch as many fish as possible. More fish, cheap as possible. They can and do catch literally thousands of fish of any particular wreck or reef.
Its not just about the pounds of fish being taken by each sector. in my most humble opinion....
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Oil Field Trash II
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| Posted: Thu Jun 15, 2017 3:30 pm Post subject: |
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CS, my observation in the last 2 years is that in 120 feet or more of water, the snapper are not on the bottom, but are being caught at a depth of 50 to 75 feet. I have had several days where they are literally on the surface. I just don't see the mortality rate being that high when they're being pulled up from relatively shallow depths.
I've also wondered if using more sporting tackle and having to fight the fish helps their release, since they come up somewhat slow.
I would hate to think fish I'm releasing are dying later on though. |
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awesum
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| Posted: Thu Jun 15, 2017 3:48 pm Post subject: |
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| I have a Seaqualizer and have used it some. It does seem to help some but I'm sure it is far too troublesome and time consuming for most folks .... including for hire boats and head boats. |
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mechdave
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While diving the rigs (before they were removed) we would watch fisherman throw back undersized snapper. They would get whacked by several barracuda before they hit 30 feet. So much for mortality. Can't say what happens away from structure, but I do know if you don't reel them up pretty fast they turn into a shark.
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Rebecca of Sunnybrookfarm
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| Posted: Fri Jun 16, 2017 8:25 am Post subject: |
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| mechdave wrote: | | While diving the rigs (before they were removed) we would watch fisherman throw back undersized snapper. They would get whacked by several barracuda before they hit 30 feet. So much for mortality. Can't say what happens away from structure, but I do know if you don't reel them up pretty fast they turn into a shark. |
THIS happens a lot....a researcher at HRI is completing a study on this precise statistic right now....it's surprising...
becky
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| Central Scrutinizer wrote: | | Thanks for the Memories, Ranger Rick. |
| ziacatcher wrote: | | However I bet if you were fishing naked Ranger Rick would have a problem with that |
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