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jws.hookem
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 Posted: Thu Feb 20, 2014 4:29 pm Post subject: Limits |
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| speckled.trout wrote: | | Central Scrutinizer wrote: | | Bay Grinder wrote: | | ...And when we reach the threshold and have truly overfished, did we all get our fair share? |
Ask THE red snapper fisherman, and you shall have your answer. |
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I guess all the Professional type guides will cut their daily trip fee in half too!
As far as Red Snapper, that's a joke! The Commercials have the Feds in their pocket pure and simple.
"Just Keep 25, 4million Cajuns cant be wrong"! My new T-Shirt.
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speckled.trout
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| Posted: Thu Feb 20, 2014 4:52 pm Post subject: Re: Limits |
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| jws.hookem wrote: | | speckled.trout wrote: | | Central Scrutinizer wrote: | | Bay Grinder wrote: | | ...And when we reach the threshold and have truly overfished, did we all get our fair share? |
Ask THE red snapper fisherman, and you shall have your answer. |
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I guess all the Professional type guides will cut their daily trip fee in half too!
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Nope I'm going up on my price, I'm going to take my cut of fish off the top of the length limit and make sure all my clients keep their one over 25".
 Ha Ha!!!
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kweber
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| Posted: Thu Feb 20, 2014 5:03 pm Post subject: |
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I pitch back all sub 20in snapper...
if necessary.
high-grade trout, too...
the cold 16's may face eviction.
and redfish...drum....
flipper likes me.
just ice 5....for the ride back...
yall happy, Austin?
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TroutSlayer
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| Posted: Thu Feb 20, 2014 10:41 pm Post subject: |
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| Rebecca of Sunnybrookfarm wrote: | [u][u] | TroutSlayer wrote: | It isn't being sold as a measure to hedge against future fishing pressure. If anything TPWD is selling it to increase the average size which plays to your preferred style of using the resource. The best way I know to explain my problem is what if the guys who like bigger limits who don't care about size had their way and the size slot was dropped and limits doubled? Your preferred use of the resource is no more important than the guy who likes keeping 10.
TPWD has no business siding with any of us and should, if supported by science cut or increase limits. No science, no cuts even if that makes the trophy guys unhappy. |
you must have been out of town and missed the scoping meetings....the modeling showed that a reduction to a 5 trout limit only increased the amount of "trophy trout" (over 25") by 0.7%.....this is not to benefit trophy trout guys, they get nothing out of it.....this is a proactive measure to keep more keeper trout in the water (15" to 17" fish).....
this provision is FOR the meat hauler fishermen....NOT trophy elitist fishermen.....you continue to miss the mark on that point and swing at the wrong target....
that being said, I still don't see the need for it....
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I was not only out of town but out of the country but with due respect I disagree. Below is a slide presented to the commissioners Jan 2014 when they voted to take the next step. Yes the 7% of the total fish population is there but it is being sold as 41% increase over the present population of fish over 25. I have through freedom of info requests that have drove them nuts succeeded in making them frame the issue. Look at the FAQs TPWD has on their website and they have been forced to admit this is not about fishing pressure, overfishing and is about more bigger trophy fish.
They say it is because "A reduction in landings would increase the number of older and larger fish in the population." That Becky is clearly saying this is for people who like catching bigger fish. I will not make this too lengthy with arguments that prove those who know what they are doing catch plenty of "BIGGER" fish and just leave you with Mike as an impeccable source for this truth.
So while I wasn't there if you think this isn't catering to the trophy trout guys I am out of facts.
What I find conspicuously lacking from their sales job is any effort to see how their modeling stacks up to what has happened in the LLM where limits have been 5 for a long time. If this gives you any hint they were in the papers bragging that in the LLM they at first were catching more 16 inch fish (think high grading or culling). In 2012 and 2013 their average is back to 15inch just like everywhere else. They were once touting how more guys are catching "their 3rd, 4th and 5th fish". In 2012 and 2013 the rest of the coast is better than 2 to 1 beating them on a percentage basis catching 5 fish or more. They once bragged about landings were up and now that they are down(badly from a historical perspective) they are saying well that was predicted. The LLM is proving mother nature regulates what we catch more than any man made limit. The truth is only a small percentage of fishermen are capable of getting 5 or more fish. There is a group of people who think if you limit the best fishermen it will make it easier for those who don't put time and effort into it to catch more.
I have a name for that and it is not nice but think along the lines of welfare and socialism.....
here is he link to the referred to FAQs, I quoted them directly
http://www.tpwd.state.tx.us/newsmedia/releases/related/2013-12-18_scoping_coastal_faq/
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Jetty Bandit
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| Posted: Thu Feb 20, 2014 11:12 pm Post subject: |
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Theoretically, a changed limit to 5 fish would have people more focused on keeping trout 20-25 inches (healthy breeding candidates), as opposed to trout below 20 inches.
I don't think that's a good idea.
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THE_BLUFF_RAT
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| Posted: Fri Feb 21, 2014 6:40 am Post subject: |
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Troutslayer, I agree with your point that TPWD should stay on the job of scienc/facts and shouldn't take sides like this. That being said, I'm lucky if I can get ONE solid trout on the stringer these days
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speckled.trout
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| Posted: Fri Feb 21, 2014 7:15 am Post subject: |
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| Jetty Bandit wrote: | Theoretically, a changed limit to 5 fish would have people more focused on keeping trout 20-25 inches (healthy breeding candidates), as opposed to trout below 20 inches.
I don't think that's a good idea. |
You my friend get it.
There are more male trout in the "below" 20" length, at least the odds on harvesting the healthy breeding female candidates would decrease.
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greenhornet2
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If you aren't meat hauling or guiding meat haulers I just don't see how you would have a problem with the reduction.
Next goal needs to be to classify croaker as gamefish, let's make it happen! |
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jws.hookem
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Location: Canyon Lake Republic of Texas
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| Posted: Fri Feb 21, 2014 8:27 am Post subject: |
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| greenhornet2 wrote: | If you aren't meat hauling or guiding meat haulers I just don't see how you would have a problem with the reduction.
Next goal needs to be to classify croaker as gamefish, let's make it happen! |
Why stop at Croaker...Shrimp are people too! Oh and let's outlaw outboards while we're at it and hooks. Give them fish a chance.
"Just Keep 25! 4 MM Cajuns caint be wrong"
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Oil Field Trash II
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| Posted: Fri Feb 21, 2014 9:27 am Post subject: |
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| greenhornet2 wrote: | If you aren't meat hauling or guiding meat haulers I just don't see how you would have a problem with the reduction.
Next goal needs to be to classify croaker as gamefish, let's make it happen! |
yeah! hell yeah! let's continue to demonize people that do things differently from you!
next goal after that we can remove power boats from multiple areas, and then have a 1-2 month long season for spotted seatrout (priority #1 is to stop calling them "specks").
then we can go to a barbless hook only with release only and reach a perfect utopia! |
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Bay Grinder
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| Posted: Fri Feb 21, 2014 9:34 am Post subject: |
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| speckled.trout wrote: | | Jetty Bandit wrote: | Theoretically, a changed limit to 5 fish would have people more focused on keeping trout 20-25 inches (healthy breeding candidates), as opposed to trout below 20 inches.
I don't think that's a good idea. |
You my friend get it.
There are more male trout in the "below" 20" length, at least the odds on harvesting the healthy breeding female candidates would decrease.
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Very true, I'd limit out very quick on trout if they'd cut the limit down to 14". Seems like being proactive here may not even be beneficial and we all will be stuck with a change few find fair and would accept. I don't buy meat or fish and can't imagine keeping only 10 trout in the freezer. I guess I'll have drop the lures and bait up rods to catch my limit of drum! |
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greenhornet2
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| Oil Field Trash II wrote: | | greenhornet2 wrote: | If you aren't meat hauling or guiding meat haulers I just don't see how you would have a problem with the reduction.
Next goal needs to be to classify croaker as gamefish, let's make it happen! |
yeah! hell yeah! let's continue to demonize people that do things differently from you!
next goal after that we can remove power boats from multiple areas, and then have a 1-2 month long season for spotted seatrout (priority #1 is to stop calling them "specks").
then we can go to a barbless hook only with release only and reach a perfect utopia! |
I'm not demonizing anyone, everyone has their own reasons as to why they are for or against the reduction. I can't voice my opinion simply because it doesn't match your preferences?
One simple reg change (croaker as gamefish) could do wonders for the trout and obviously croaker populations, why wouldn't you be for it? |
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ironmanstan
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The rules and laws won't be straight down the middle. The powers up in Austin will sway towards their friends it always has and always will. However I heard through the underground world of fishing that someone has a rabbit in a hat that will be pulled out at the right place and the right time. I love magic tricks. 
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Oil Field Trash II
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| greenhornet2 wrote: | | Oil Field Trash II wrote: | | greenhornet2 wrote: | If you aren't meat hauling or guiding meat haulers I just don't see how you would have a problem with the reduction.
Next goal needs to be to classify croaker as gamefish, let's make it happen! |
yeah! hell yeah! let's continue to demonize people that do things differently from you!
next goal after that we can remove power boats from multiple areas, and then have a 1-2 month long season for spotted seatrout (priority #1 is to stop calling them "specks").
then we can go to a barbless hook only with release only and reach a perfect utopia! |
I'm not demonizing anyone, everyone has their own reasons as to why they are for or against the reduction. I can't voice my opinion simply because it doesn't match your preferences?
One simple reg change (croaker as gamefish) could do wonders for the trout and obviously croaker populations, why wouldn't you be for it? |
because I love soaking croakers. It's a magical time of the year for about 2-3 months.
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ltorna1
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| Oil Field Trash II wrote: | | greenhornet2 wrote: | | Oil Field Trash II wrote: | | greenhornet2 wrote: | If you aren't meat hauling or guiding meat haulers I just don't see how you would have a problem with the reduction.
Next goal needs to be to classify croaker as gamefish, let's make it happen! |
yeah! hell yeah! let's continue to demonize people that do things differently from you!
next goal after that we can remove power boats from multiple areas, and then have a 1-2 month long season for spotted seatrout (priority #1 is to stop calling them "specks").
then we can go to a barbless hook only with release only and reach a perfect utopia! |
I'm not demonizing anyone, everyone has their own reasons as to why they are for or against the reduction. I can't voice my opinion simply because it doesn't match your preferences?
One simple reg change (croaker as gamefish) could do wonders for the trout and obviously croaker populations, why wouldn't you be for it? |
because I love soaking croakers. It's a magical time of the year for about 2-3 months.
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I was waiting for this one!  What took you so long? Page 5?!
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