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PostPosted: Wed Jan 22, 2014 11:48 am    Post subject: Curious Question Reply with quote

Can someone be cited for an unsuccessful release of an oversized fish? Several times anglers catch oversized fish and by the time they are landed the fish is exhausted. What happens if the release is unsuccesful and the fish bites the big one? Tried Mr. Google for the answer to no avail.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 22, 2014 12:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Only if it's in your ice chest
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 22, 2014 12:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ive always wondered the same thing. ive never used my oversize red tag on a perfectly healthy red. but i keep it for the one time i cant revive the fish or if i gut hook one. other than reds i cant think of any fish i catch regularly that would have an oversize limit here.
growing up in florida, snook were abundant and those were slot limits and season fish. i was told by a fwc that if you were in possession of an over/undersized fish you would be fined. but never got a clear answer on what to do with a fish you cant revive. you just cant be in possession of one.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 22, 2014 1:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

even if the fish comes in dead... w/o a tag you must return to the water...
many yrs ago a guy caught an oversize on the S port A jetty... he had already tagged and wanted to give it away... GW was there and made him release the fish...
this was after the guy had the fish out of the water for at least 10-15min... last I saw it, it was floating down current.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 22, 2014 3:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Game warden will tell you "crabs have to eat too". They are in the business of law enforcement, not biology. Their world is black and white; either you are in possession or your not. If it is dead floating off in the current, you or in the not category.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 22, 2014 4:53 pm    Post subject: Floaters Reply with quote

The last time we went offshore for red snapper it was like a floating flotilla of undersized snapper, especially behind the "head boats". I guess they were not "inflated" properly after being released. I guess the sea critters had a feast at least.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 22, 2014 5:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't mind one bit that you have to release (discard) an illegal fish even if its dead or not going to make it. There isn't room for grey in the rules.

For every unfortunate true failed release that you have to watch die in the current, there are a hundred other googans that would love to be able to use the "well, it was gut hooked so I kept it" story for any oversized or over-bag-limit catch.

That being said, the red snapper deal is sad. All it takes is a little poke and their odds of survival are much better.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 22, 2014 5:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mtfish wrote:
Game warden will tell you "crabs have to eat too". They are in the business of law enforcement, not biology. Their world is black and white; either you are in possession or your not. If it is dead floating off in the current, you or in the not category.


A biologist would tell you the same thing.......crabs gotta eat to.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 22, 2014 5:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

And Josey Wales will tell ya "Buzzards got to eat same as the worms" Very Happy
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 22, 2014 6:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tyler wrote:
And Josey Wales will tell ya "Buzzards got to eat same as the worms.....ptoooooey!" Very Happy

Fify. Very Happy
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 22, 2014 7:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ltorna1 wrote:
I don't mind one bit that you have to release (discard) an illegal fish even if its dead or not going to make it. There isn't room for grey in the rules.

For every unfortunate true failed release that you have to watch die in the current, there are a hundred other googans that would love to be able to use the "well, it was gut hooked so I kept it" story for any oversized or over-bag-limit catch.

That being said, the red snapper deal is sad. All it takes is a little poke and their odds of survival are much better.


Not to mention that the law says that in federal waters, every fisherman must posses a venting tool and dehooking device when fishing for reef fish. On the first forum offshore trip I caught a red snapper amongst the many big beeliners, and a deckhand kicked it back in before anything could be done even if I wanted to. The last I saw that fish it was still on the surface more than 100 yards away heading towards Palacios!

To be totally fair, I don't remember what year those regs took effect, but they're darn sure in effect now.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 23, 2014 10:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The venting requirement for THE red snapper has been rescinded, as it proved to be less-than-effective.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 23, 2014 11:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would venture to say that the LAW was less than effective, not the tool or venting itself. You saw the same data I did CS. Venting and/or rapid decending increase chances of survival over the chuck-and-good-luck method.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 23, 2014 12:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Without a doubt, the technique is beneficial, so long as you do it properly.

There was little to no training for most deckhands or general fishermen, and they tended to do more harm than good, in the long run. Stabbing the poor fish's stomach as it poked out of the mouth was not exactly what was recommended, but sadly, that was the technique I saw far too often.

So the Gulf Council ended up taking a mulligan on the whole thing. Confused
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 23, 2014 6:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Central Scrutinizer wrote:
The venting requirement for THE red snapper has been rescinded, as it proved to be less-than-effective.


Glad to here it! Even if done well it's not always effective. I caught an 11 pound red snapper in Destin this past September. Fought it hard and got it to the boat without a prolonged struggle, took two pics, vented the fish about 2" behind the pectoral fin, heard the air escape and tried to revive the fish before release. It finally felt RTG but would make a few tail swipes and float back up. I vented it again and more air came out. Had my bud put the boat in gear and pulled the fish slowly (head first) for a good 100 yards and it never did recover. Sure hated to see that beautiful fish float away in the current! Embarassed
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