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speckled.trout
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| kweber wrote: | | Baffinboy wrote: | | King Ranch doesn't care.... It's all about the $$$$$.... They are clearing another 60, 000 acres of the Laureles pasture for cotton which has the worst chemicals and it all drains right in to Baffin... KR has been approached many times about it, they don't care, it's a corporation like any other |
any back up as to why cotton is/has worse chems?
as much or more chemicals get poured down house-hold and storm drains in and around every city...
yes, I know Baffin doesn't get much city run-off, but remember its a news story...
and how much run-off is there? last I heard 95% of Tx is in a drought... not conductive to much run-off...
slow news day.
nature can really affect the bay w a good freeze like 83 or 89... or a good hurricane... not so much to the bay, but to local bay fishermen who have more pressing issues than fishing during the aftermath of a major storm |
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seems if nitrates in run off after rains was a cause the entire coast would have brown tide. There is more farming going on up and down the coast than within the KR.
I'm sticking with a freeze event followed by drought and high salinity levels.
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Oil Field Trash II
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| Posted: Sat Jul 27, 2013 7:05 am Post subject: |
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this last round of brown tide kicked off a couple weeks after a major rain event, (feb 2012 I think?) after we had been in a drought like usual. I am curious how much "stuff" accumulates during these droughts, then runs off after a large rain event. I don't think you're going to get much run off in a typical 1" rain. Seems like that rain back in february was 10-12" in some places though...
I think the main chemical that could be responsible for spurring these blooms is nitrogen in the fertilizers. I can't think of many household chemicals that are primarily nitrogen. |
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Central Scrutinizer
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| Oil Field Trash II wrote: | | I think the main chemical that could be responsible for spurring these blooms is nitrogen in the fertilizers. I can't think of many household chemicals that are primarily nitrogen. |
That idea gets kicked around time and time again, but it is simply not true. Yes, run-off add lots of Nitrogen to the system, and yes, it can fuel many different species of algae to force blooms. But what is really different about the brown tide algae is that it uses a different form of Nitrogen for food, and the particular form IS NOT found in ag or household derived run-off.
It boils down to inorganic forms of N vs. organic forms of N. Very different things and not necessarily interchangeable.
Would reducing run-off from ag fields be a good thing. Most certainly. Is blaming the brown tide on ag without solid proof to back it up - an adgenda!
Likely.
The Baffin Bay Volunteer Group is a fine example of including all the stakeholder in finding a solution to a problem, and not just pinning the blame on one group and pitting them against another, thus never really solving the problem.
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Baffinboy
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Yes Kweber. I grew up in Bishop right next to Baffin and surrounded by cotton fields. South Texas cotton fields have huge boll weevil problem that migrated from Central America and Mexico. The farmers apply a ton of pesticides on cotton, way more than sorghum or corn. The King Ranch cleared the Laureles pasture that drains into San Fernando and Petronila Creeks in the 80's when I was a kid. Brown tide has been off and on ever since. My father and the old timers he fished with that fished Baffin since WWII say there was never Brown Tide since the mega-farms went up next to the bay. I don't think its the sole cause but probably fuels/prolongs the issue. The grass beds in the back of Baffin have been gone almost 20 years now with no signs of return.
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Baffinboy
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| Posted: Sat Jul 27, 2013 8:15 am Post subject: |
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To your point Speckled Trout, the rest of the Coast has tidal movements, rivers, oceans passes, etc to flush this crap out. Baffin is stagnant so it just brews there.
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kweber
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| Posted: Sat Jul 27, 2013 8:26 am Post subject: |
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a number of yrs ago I worked at a grain dealer and got quite involved w/ag chemicals....
I had a commercial applicators license and ran one of the big fert/spray trucks....
most cotton chems are insecticides and nowdays have a very short lifespan...they don't affect plants much.
garanular and liquid fertilizes can and do run-off, tho...
but the thing is, fields are treated taking into acct expected rainfall...
usually the northern side of CCBay gets more rain than S of Chapman Ranch... so up there they may put down more fert w/ expectations of more rain and bigger yields...
even moreso in the Edna/El Campo area.
also what about the Arroyo Colorado down south.. that drains a big part of the Valley
but the area w/ the least run-off is where BT shows up historically...
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ironmanstan
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Guess they can't blame this one on the commercial fisherman. Just thought I'd throw that one in there. On another note, the other night on the news the story about the grease run off from the Sonic drive in headed right for the storm drain. How many other businesses are dumping waste into the drains? Also if I was a guide and my livelyhood depended on fishing heck yes I would be saying the fishing is great in Baffin. No offence but GOOD JOB MANKIND on your dominion chores of the Earth.
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Stxtopwater
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| Posted: Sat Jul 27, 2013 9:12 am Post subject: |
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| Whatever the case is I hope next year is better. Hopefully this story keeps the weekend warriors out of Baffin. |
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Baffinboy
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10-4 on that. Brown water scares people away, maybe it's helping those trout grow old. Hurricane right through Yarboroughs would be nice.
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speckled.trout
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I'm sticking with a freeze event followed by drought and high salinity levels
as far as an agenda, yep, I'm sure there is something like that going on.
thanks for bringing up that point CS.
grasping for straws to find another excuse to cut the trout limits?
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ironmanstan
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| Stxtopwater wrote: | | Whatever the case is I hope next year is better. Hopefully this story keeps the weekend warriors out of Baffin. |
Weekend warriors, aren't those the ones who work 40-50 hrs a week at regular jobs and then dump part of their earnings here on the coast. I must be a weekend warrior, but then again I don't fish down there anyway. Wait that makes me a backyard warrior.
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ironmanstan
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| speckled.trout wrote: | I'm sticking with a freeze event followed by drought and high salinity levels
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Don't forget to add in weekend warriors, now it's them helping to deplete the fish population.
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Oil Field Trash II
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| speckled.trout wrote: | I'm sticking with a freeze event followed by drought and high salinity levels
as far as an agenda, yep, I'm sure there is something like that going on.
thanks for bringing up that point CS.
grasping for straws to find another excuse to cut the trout limits?
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when was the freeze event? |
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Oil Field Trash II
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| speckled.trout wrote: | http://www.caller.com/news/2011/feb/09/fish-kill-not-devastating/
the BT bloom this year was the same pattern as the '91 bloom it happened
a year following the freeze event and after very dry spring and summer.
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ok, gotcha. I was trying to recall one in early 2012/late 2011. |
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