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FIDO
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PostPosted: Wed May 01, 2013 11:08 am    Post subject: Re: Word on the street Reply with quote

lagunaroy wrote:
ironmanstan wrote:
Drake wrote:
Salt water moon shiners.......


Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy They would like that. Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy


Sir, your flippant comments about this subject confuse me, granted I am an old guy, so that very well could be the problem. Would you please answer a few simple questions? Do you find fault with or do you support illegal gillnetting in the coastal waters of Texas?

Do you support the vigorous prosecution of those found guilty of violating Texas game and fish laws?

Lastly, do you support the view that knowledge of a violation should be reported.

Sorry to call you out, I am probably misreading your posts and I have gone back to 2009 in Jan on the 7th to try and surmise your position on this subject.


I totally understand why and what you are asking 100%. However, it would be very very difficult for Stan to answer your questions using this medium. And, he won't fall into the internet trap. This conversation must happen in person. Stan is, I'm sure, a great hard working law abiding citizen. But, his answers to your inquiry would have to be preceded by some history, a few exceptions to some common thinking (which I think deserve relevance), and a bit of a context. "Ain't nobody got time for that!"

HAHA, trust me this is not the time, place or way to delve into it.
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PostPosted: Wed May 01, 2013 11:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

topdog15 wrote:
Got some info from a source........the "fishermen" are of a family known to participate in this type of illegal activity.



Well it's hereditary. Laughing


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PostPosted: Wed May 01, 2013 2:16 pm    Post subject: Re: Word on the street Reply with quote

FIDO wrote:
lagunaroy wrote:
ironmanstan wrote:
Drake wrote:
Salt water moon shiners.......


Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy They would like that. Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy


Sir, your flippant comments about this subject confuse me, granted I am an old guy, so that very well could be the problem. Would you please answer a few simple questions? Do you find fault with or do you support illegal gillnetting in the coastal waters of Texas?

Do you support the vigorous prosecution of those found guilty of violating Texas game and fish laws?

Lastly, do you support the view that knowledge of a violation should be reported.

Sorry to call you out, I am probably misreading your posts and I have gone back to 2009 in Jan on the 7th to try and surmise your position on this subject.


I totally understand why and what you are asking 100%. However, it would be very very difficult for Stan to answer your questions using this medium. And, he won't fall into the internet trap. This conversation must happen in person. Stan is, I'm sure, a great hard working law abiding citizen. But, his answers to your inquiry would have to be preceded by some history, a few exceptions to some common thinking (which I think deserve relevance), and a bit of a context. "Ain't nobody got time for that!"

HAHA, trust me this is not the time, place or way to delve into it.


It wasn't very very hard for the others that have responded to this subject. Why so hard for Stan? As for the trap, can you please elaborate. Now the history is what it is, can't change it. My point is the future, will our grand kids have a sustainable fish population to take their grand kids fishing?

One of my greatest memories is fishing with my oldest grandson, he was 6 or 7 at the time and his duty as first mate was to measure the fish. He measured and boxed 3 or 4 17 inchers and the next he said "grandpa this one is 14 and 17/16 should we keep it". Do you want to give that up or pass it on to your family.

You are what you stand for, every day, every hour. What do you want your grand kids to say about you?
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PostPosted: Wed May 01, 2013 2:39 pm    Post subject: Re: Word on the street Reply with quote

lagunaroy wrote:
FIDO wrote:
lagunaroy wrote:
ironmanstan wrote:
Drake wrote:
Salt water moon shiners.......


Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy They would like that. Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy


Sir, your flippant comments about this subject confuse me, granted I am an old guy, so that very well could be the problem. Would you please answer a few simple questions? Do you find fault with or do you support illegal gillnetting in the coastal waters of Texas?

Do you support the vigorous prosecution of those found guilty of violating Texas game and fish laws?

Lastly, do you support the view that knowledge of a violation should be reported.

Sorry to call you out, I am probably misreading your posts and I have gone back to 2009 in Jan on the 7th to try and surmise your position on this subject.


I totally understand why and what you are asking 100%. However, it would be very very difficult for Stan to answer your questions using this medium. And, he won't fall into the internet trap. This conversation must happen in person. Stan is, I'm sure, a great hard working law abiding citizen. But, his answers to your inquiry would have to be preceded by some history, a few exceptions to some common thinking (which I think deserve relevance), and a bit of a context. "Ain't nobody got time for that!"

HAHA, trust me this is not the time, place or way to delve into it.


It wasn't very very hard for the others that have responded to this subject. Why so hard for Stan? As for the trap, can you please elaborate. Now the history is what it is, can't change it. My point is the future, will our grand kids have a sustainable fish population to take their grand kids fishing?

One of my greatest memories is fishing with my oldest grandson, he was 6 or 7 at the time and his duty as first mate was to measure the fish. He measured and boxed 3 or 4 17 inchers and the next he said "grandpa this one is 14 and 17/16 should we keep it". Do you want to give that up or pass it on to your family.

You are what you stand for, every day, every hour. What do you want your grand kids to say about you?


Well 14 and 17/16 would make it legal. I think stan is a good guy he just likes to stir the pot a lot of times
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PostPosted: Wed May 01, 2013 3:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here y'all go!

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PostPosted: Wed May 01, 2013 3:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

FYI

Flour Bluff Man Accused of Illegal Fishing

CORPUS CHRISTI - A Flour Bluff man is accused of using illegal methods to catch 110 pounds of black drum in the Laguna Madre.

Texas Parks and Wildlife game wardens say they detained 46-year-old James Vannoy last week at the Billings Dock near the JFK Causeway as he returned with a load of fish.

Game wardens say he was using an illegal gill net to catch the fish. That type of net is similar to a volleyball net. The diamond shaped openings are designed to make a fish get stuck on their gills. The fish are unable to breathe and die in the net.

This is Vannoy's second arrest for illegal fishing in Nueces County. Back in 2007 he was sentenced to 60 days in jail.


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PostPosted: Wed May 01, 2013 3:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well maybe not THE guy but one of em
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PostPosted: Wed May 01, 2013 3:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I understand the other guy involved was picked up already, but his name has not been released..
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DFoley
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PostPosted: Wed May 01, 2013 4:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

James didnt learn from the first time. They made vannoy skiffs which were pretty ahead of their time way back in the day. I remember my dad rigging a few of them.
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PostPosted: Wed May 01, 2013 4:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The guy is a thief too, seriously, stolen fishing gear might go down a small percentage now that this idiot is off the streets.
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ironmanstan
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PostPosted: Wed May 01, 2013 6:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I grew up with commercial fishermen, we had shrimp boats,I worked on commercial snapper boats, sometimes it can be tough when you walk down the center of the line. I have the ability to lean both ways. It's kinda like growing up in a house in a time when my older brothers said negro nothing happened, but when I said it I got slapped in the mouth. Maybe you should try standing in a group of hard working commercial fishermen and tell them your point of view. It would be like walking into a biker bar saying Harleys suck, rather than bying a round for the house first. I personally would buy a round for the house and I might still get my butt kicked or be patted on the back, More than likely as soon as they got to know me I would be just one of the guys as that is usually the case. Personally my point of view is my business not yours. However most folks respect my point of view infact there are so many that do respect my point that I don't need anymore. Thanks FIDO for having my back we need togo fishing together sometime. Very Happy I support conservation. I let lots of big girls go. I will always have a place in my heart for the outlaw commercial fisherman. If he gets caught he knows the penalty. Do I like the stories of commercial fisheman from another time out running Game Wardens in the middle of night in a cold blowing norther.....you bet I do. Do I follow the law...to the tee. 14 AND 15/16 .....SQUEEZE IT.
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PostPosted: Wed May 01, 2013 6:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I should stay out of this so I will. In passing, we all make our own decisions when we become an adult, good or bad and that is what makes us the person we are

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PostPosted: Wed May 01, 2013 9:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I understand where your coming from and it's a breath of fresh air, as someone in ap who still shrimps and have family who still own shrimp boats it is somthing not everyone will understand. Ap changed for the worse because of some changes yet we hang on, people from the other side of the highway think we are highway robbers on the bay yet they come here once a month and eat at the exact resteraunts we sell to. There is outlaw techniques in everything, the grey line if you call it. Walk in someone else's shoes and put the stone down. It's somthing that I understand.
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PostPosted: Thu May 02, 2013 2:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes the guy who had his picture slammed on here is now a common criminal and was destined to be so from the time his feet hit the ground. I have somewhat know him from the time he was around 10 years old. At that age he was walking around the lagoon at 2 am in the morning hand dragging a small shrimp net to make extra money. He reminds me of one of those kids you see come into the bar at night, tugging at mommy because he is hungry and ends up with a bag of chips and a coke while mom continues on. Yet now we refer to him as a common criminal. Pretty sad. Who knows maybe he would have different if he had grown up in a good family with 3 squares on the table everyday and all the bills paid with a chance at life from the get go. Who knows? Great chime in Gulftrout, thanks.
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PostPosted: Thu May 02, 2013 10:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The "entitlement mentality" in this country extends to fishing and hunting and as the economy continues to suck will only get worse. People will try to feed their families - no matter what. That said if most of them put half the energy they put into scamming the system into hard work, we all would be better off. I expect theft to continue and to get worse. It's why I have a hard time parking my truck anywhere in the Corpus area where I cannot keep a close eye on it, or on the Naval Base. I suspect even petty thievery goes on on the base too.
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