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rodandroll
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| Josey wrote: | | If you have never been to the Institute of Texas Cultures in SA you should give it a try. It is owned by UT and UT Professors give tours. I learned that Texas was never annexed as a state but signed a treaty to join the Union. This meant a couple of things: The Union would not send soldiers for the Indian wars as they did for all the other states. Texans had to fight their own battles which is why our culture is so strong.Texas also reserved the right in the treaty to secede and we are the only state with that right. This is why you hear the topic come up by the likes of Gov. Perry when he was mad at the FED for not helping to rebuild after Hurrucane Ike. I'm not a fan because I love my Country and I'm sure most mention it in jest but be careful what you wish for. Friend was a cadet at Westpoint and a General asked the cadets in a speech "every generation has a great war, what do you believe the great war of your generation will be"? Most answered middle east etc. His response was that was past generation war. Next generation "Civil". I certainly hope not but it makes you think. |
I tend to agree with the general. I see another revolution in our future - perhaps not in my lifetime, but when enough people get fed up - all hell's going to break loose. |
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ironmanstan
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I voted to secede from the union. It felt good being a sort of Rebel for just a moment . It's more of a protest on paper than anything else. I'm a U.S. vet and I will support my country and it's president, but I don't have to like him or his values or what he stands for and I don't nor do the others that voted/ signed the petition. I think most here have signed it those that didn't enjoy Obama and his politics and thats the nice thing about living in a free country. Texas may not secede but it sure has alot of votes and I assume most are veterans.
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The Trash Heap
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| Posted: Thu Nov 15, 2012 5:05 am Post subject: |
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| ironmanstan wrote: | | I voted to secede from the union. It felt good being a sort of Rebel for just a moment . It's more of a protest on paper than anything else. I'm a U.S. vet and I will support my country and it's president, but I don't have to like him or his values or what he stands for and I don't nor do the others that voted/ signed the petition. I think most here have signed it those that didn't enjoy Obama and his politics and thats the nice thing about living in a free country. Texas may not secede but it sure has alot of votes and I assume most are veterans. |
ironmanstan, like you, I'm a vet, as were members of my immediate family. I take it personally when S4Bs talk of secession, even in jest, and doubly so when they advocate it around Veterans Day. Should those advocates ever stop just breaking wind on the subject and make the slightest move beyond free speech towards attacking the United States, I will gladly see them tried and punished for treason. That goes for their sympathizers who send me pms, too. 
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snooker33
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| If we secede lets join up with Mexico. We will call it Texico. |
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poorboy
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| Posted: Thu Nov 15, 2012 7:09 am Post subject: |
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| I hope it doesn't happen but if it does I'm a Texan and would go with Texas.like Crockett said you may all go to hell I will go to Texas! |
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RodBreaker
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| Posted: Thu Nov 15, 2012 8:15 am Post subject: |
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Texas does not and never had a right to secede.
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speckled.trout
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State of Texas FAQ
Some Frequently Asked Questions About Texas
Q-1. Does Texas have the right to secede?
A. No... but yes, not explicitly. There is no verbiage in the Texas Constitution, the US Constitution, or the Texas Annexation Agreement that expressly grants the State of Texas the right to secede from the Union. However, the US Constitution is silent on the issue, neither prohibiting it or allowing it, for any state. With that in mind, the 10th Amendment to the US Constitution expressly reserves ALL POWERS not granted to the federal government, to the states. So, by virtue of the fact that the US Constitution does not expressly prohibit secession, nor does it expressly give the federal government the power to prevent a state from seceding, ALL states have the right to secede. Think of secession like a divorce. The parties are going their separate ways through a declaration from one of the parties, that they no longer wish to remain in the marriage. This is all it takes to secede: a state congressional declaration
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landlocked beachbum
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The Trash Heap
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| Posted: Thu Nov 15, 2012 9:29 am Post subject: |
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| speckled.trout wrote: | State of Texas FAQ
Some Frequently Asked Questions About Texas
Q-1. Does Texas have the right to secede?
A. No... but yes, not explicitly. There is no verbiage in the Texas Constitution, the US Constitution, or the Texas Annexation Agreement that expressly grants the State of Texas the right to secede from the Union. However, the US Constitution is silent on the issue, neither prohibiting it or allowing it, for any state. With that in mind, the 10th Amendment to the US Constitution expressly reserves ALL POWERS not granted to the federal government, to the states. So, by virtue of the fact that the US Constitution does not expressly prohibit secession, nor does it expressly give the federal government the power to prevent a state from seceding, ALL states have the right to secede. Think of secession like a divorce. The parties are going their separate ways through a declaration from one of the parties, that they no longer wish to remain in the marriage. This is all it takes to secede: a state congressional declaration
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Aren't you among the citizens who recite the Pledge of Allegiance at the beginning every meeting of government bodies and many civilian organizations in the United States? Don't you understand what that word "indivisible" in the Pledge means? Sure, the states don't take the pledge, but every single one of their elected and appointed officials does, over and over. How can you or they support secession w/o perjuring themselves?
If you're a naturalized citizen, the oath you've taken is even more exacting: | Quote: | Naturalization Oath of Allegiance to the United States of America
Oath
"I hereby declare, on oath, that I absolutely and entirely renounce and abjure all allegiance and fidelity to any foreign prince, potentate, state or sovereignty, of whom or which I have heretofore been a subject or citizen; that I will support and defend the Constitution and laws of the United States of America against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I will bear arms on behalf of the United States when required by the law; that I will perform noncombatant service in the armed forces of the United States when required by the law; that I will perform work of national importance under civilian direction when required by the law; and that I take this obligation freely without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; so help me God."
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A U.S. citizen who becomes a secessionist is by definition a perjuror and an enemy of the United States. Secession isn't a joke; stopping it caused the greatest loss of lives in this nation's military history. If you can't stand its leaders, either elect new ones of leave, but you have no right to take part of the country with you to spite the loyal supporters of the Constitution.
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speckled.trout
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| Posted: Thu Nov 15, 2012 9:50 am Post subject: |
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| The Trash Heap wrote: | | speckled.trout wrote: | State of Texas FAQ
Some Frequently Asked Questions About Texas
Q-1. Does Texas have the right to secede?
A. No... but yes, not explicitly. There is no verbiage in the Texas Constitution, the US Constitution, or the Texas Annexation Agreement that expressly grants the State of Texas the right to secede from the Union. However, the US Constitution is silent on the issue, neither prohibiting it or allowing it, for any state. With that in mind, the 10th Amendment to the US Constitution expressly reserves ALL POWERS not granted to the federal government, to the states. So, by virtue of the fact that the US Constitution does not expressly prohibit secession, nor does it expressly give the federal government the power to prevent a state from seceding, ALL states have the right to secede. Think of secession like a divorce. The parties are going their separate ways through a declaration from one of the parties, that they no longer wish to remain in the marriage. This is all it takes to secede: a state congressional declaration
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Aren't you among the citizens who recite the Pledge of Allegiance at the beginning every meeting of government bodies and many civilian organizations in the United States? Don't you understand what that word "indivisible" in the Pledge means? Sure, the states don't take the pledge, but every single one of their elected and appointed officials does, over and over. How can you or they support secession w/o perjuring themselves?
If you're a naturalized citizen, the oath you've taken is even more exacting: | Quote: | Naturalization Oath of Allegiance to the United States of America
Oath
"I hereby declare, on oath, that I absolutely and entirely renounce and abjure all allegiance and fidelity to any foreign prince, potentate, state or sovereignty, of whom or which I have heretofore been a subject or citizen; that I will support and defend the Constitution and laws of the United States of America against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I will bear arms on behalf of the United States when required by the law; that I will perform noncombatant service in the armed forces of the United States when required by the law; that I will perform work of national importance under civilian direction when required by the law; and that I take this obligation freely without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; so help me God."
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A U.S. citizen who becomes a secessionist is by definition a perjuror and an enemy of the United States. Secession isn't a joke; stopping it caused the greatest loss of lives in this nation's military history. If you can't stand its leaders, either elect new ones of leave, but you have no right to take part of the country with you to spite the loyal supporters of the Constitution. |
WOW, I must have struck a nerve there.....LOL
But FAQ's is FAQ's.
If your a loyal supporter of the constitution then you must be able to support the FAQ's of State sucessions.
It's not ALL the leaders that people can't stand but more of those that are not capable of leading.
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Lost2324
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From Texas Bill of Rights
Section 1. Texas is a free and independent State, subject only to the Constitution of the United States; and the maintenance of our institutions and the perpetuity of the Union depend on the preservation of the right of local self-government unimpaired to all States.
Section 2. All political power is inherent in the people and all free governments are founded on their authority, and instituted for their benefit. The faith of the people of Texas stands pledged to the preservation of a republican form of government, and, subject to that limitation only, they have at all times the inalienable right to alter, reform or abolish their government in such manner as they may think expedient |
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landlocked beachbum
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That makes no sense: A person who can't or won't lead "leading from behind" is not and never will be a leader. Holding political office, no matter how high, can't change that fact.................. as Jimmy Carter proved in spades!!!!
Calling the president "leader of the free world" is something that is supposed to be true in a perfect world. This ain't it.
Voting present more than yea or nay while a senator, bowing to foreign potentates one after another and always apologizing for the good old USA while blaming all of your current problems on the LAST guy (four years in) is NOT leading!!!!! 
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shark_bait_OOOHAHA
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Good thing this is a fishing forum.
Regardless we all fish in Texas waters, well besides those of you that run out far off shore.
Thank you to those of you that have served and are serving.
We as Texans have and always will be different.
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Tyler
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| Posted: Thu Nov 15, 2012 10:37 am Post subject: |
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| shark_bait_OOOHAHA wrote: | Good thing this is a fishing forum.
Regardless we all fish in Texas waters, well besides those of you that run out far off shore.
Thank you to those of you that have served and are serving.
We as Texans have and always will be different. |
Amen and that's why this thread is on "Off Topic" 
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HRod2222
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| Posted: Thu Nov 15, 2012 11:33 am Post subject: America Land of the Free |
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| Quote: | poorboy Posted: Thu Nov 15, 2012 7:09 am Post subject:
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I hope it doesn't happen but if it does I'm a Texan and would go with Texas.like Crockett said you may all go to hell I will go to Texas!
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And to hell he went at the Alamo!
Politics, religion and fishing don't mix. The only good that is going to come out of this topic is a leason learned for the books. The reality of it is that egos are going to get bruised. There is not right or wrong answer in the multiracial society we live in. Your right I'm wrong... I'm right Your wrong... I tell you what, you shouldn't allow anyone elses choices and decisions effect your freedom. And only "you" are a victim of "your" choices and expectations! The privileges I inherited came from that of my family of orgin through their sacrifices. Nothing changes, I still have my freedom and the only one that can take that from you is when you allow others to live rent free in your head. lol
Press on!
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