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In case you missed the link in the related thread, here it is again.

http://www.caller.com/news/2011/jul/07/15-mph-beach-speed-limit-an-unreasonable-reach/
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Tyler · Site Admin Joined: 06 Mar 2006 Posts: 12865

Spot on! Be sure to leave your comment regarding the Environmental Assessment at

http://parkplanning.nps.gov/document.cfm?parkID=86&projectID=32158&documentID=41741#content
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jebsays · Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2011 8:38 am Post subject:

Excellent article.

Rebecca of Sunnybrookfarm · Full Grown Flour Bluffian Joined: 01 May 2008 Posts: 3974

So Trash Heap, how do you envision the process of moving the turtle program to Matagorda? how would they do it?
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rawlbay · Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2011 8:50 am Post subject:

Good article.

Based on the current comments, it seems like folks are starting to come around to the fact that Donna Shaver, Joe Escoto, and the rest of that lot are trying to blatantly steal 60 miles of beach. Now we just need to figure out what to do about it.

In the mean time, I think maybe I will introduce polar bears or some other non-indigenous species to the area between the Packery channel and BHP and set up shop. That's all it takes to get your own private beach, right?
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ccbobber · Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2011 8:51 am Post subject: moving turtles

by boat if necessary, first thing is ship dOnNa there with only a turtle calling device to continue her program.
fot those who didn't get my dOnNa reference, it's Donna Shaver, turtle lady who thinks turtles rank higher than humans.
what a total waste of good money on a 1% of world turtle population activity.
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ccbobber · Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2011 8:53 am Post subject: article

cudos to MR David Sykes on an excellent article.
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Oil Field Trash II · Full Grown Flour Bluffian Joined: 25 Mar 2008 Posts: 1560

great article. I think he is spot on. I was talking to my wife about these exact issues this morning as we took the kids to watch them release the sea turtles. They were talking about how critical it was to release the turtles on the beach instead of releasing them into the water.

the reason; so the turtles would come back to THAT beach... and not some other beach. They also mentioned that the survival rate was probably about 1% for the released turtles. I had to wonder... what IF they released them further past the surf... past the seagulls... past the area where it's so hard for them to swim. But then, it wouldn't be a guarantee that the turtles would come back to PINS.... seems a little selfish to me. Spend that much money, time and effort, and restrict the access of the public for a 1% survival rate? Perhaps if they released them in the open water, the survival rate might increase... and then the turtles would nest in different areas. Wow... it might make PINS not such a huge priority for the turtle gestapo.

They also mentioned what a dire effect humans had on the turtles, etc...etc.

sometimes it's like they forget that humans live here too.

Mudflap · Horse Mullet Joined: 10 Mar 2006 Posts: 127

Does anyone have the stats on the number of turtles that lay eggs on the beach vs the one in Mexico and their survival rates. I would lke to have some fun with math to show why this is a wast of money and time.

Oil Field Trash II · Full Grown Flour Bluffian Joined: 25 Mar 2008 Posts: 1560

OSOFARAWAY · Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2011 10:18 am Post subject:

Way to go everyone, stay vigilant. Thanks for working so hard for those of us that arn't as close to the situation.
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HsBnAtty · Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2011 10:43 am Post subject:

For the most detailed information available on Kemp's ridley worldwide turtle recovery statistics as well as its possible down listing to protected in 2015 go to -
http://www.nmfs.noaa.gov/pr/pdfs/recovery/turtle_kempsridley_draft2.pdf

or type in "2010 Draft Bi-National Recover Plan" in Google

Note that in determining whether to down list the turtle that the nesting population at the Park is not to be considered. Only the turtles nesting in Mexico.

topdog15 · Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2011 11:22 am Post subject:

If you haven't already........go to www.googlescholar.com and search for Donna Shaver. Her published articles will come up and you can check out her results. Her own publications seem to show this program as an exercise in futility. Also, few of the turtles now nesting on PINS were turtles released by the program at PINS.
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The Trash Heap · Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2011 12:03 pm Post subject: