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ltorna1 · Full Grown Flour Bluffian Joined: 17 Apr 2009 Posts: 3240

Frayed, first of all I am not trying to be smug but rather to clarify what the arguement actually is before this gets into a kayak vs pb war. Maybe I am little late for that.

You said its not about habitat destruction :

But the last part of WPP's first commandment is:

"so as to lower cumulative impacts to the fishery"

and their second commandment is

"Protection of the sensitive seagrass habitat that builds and sustains our inshore fisheries"

So without knowing anything else about them other than what I have read in newspapers, on this site, and on their home page, it clearly is about habitat destruction.

And Ty, you are absolutely right, despite what the motivation of WPP is, and some people have questioned what it actually is, their goal is not to exclude powerboaters, just those that drive fast through sensitive areas. However, I am just saying that what should determine what is a sensitive area and what is not, should be based on evidence.

I honestly don't know enough about WPP to support them, I would love to see what Capt. Dean has to say. But I am in favor of anything reasonable that will improve our fishery for years to come, and that is supported by the facts.
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jebsays · Posted: Tue Dec 14, 2010 8:01 pm Post subject:

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ltorna1 · Full Grown Flour Bluffian Joined: 17 Apr 2009 Posts: 3240

This is from their website, and of course, whether you chose to believe them is up to you. Just figured I would share it.

http://wadepaddlepole.net/FAQ.html
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DFoley · Posted: Tue Dec 14, 2010 8:46 pm Post subject:

YES PEOPLE WE NEED MORE LEGISLATION AND LAWS, LET THE MONSTER GROW AND YOULL SEE HOW FAST SOUTH ITLL GO.

Its no different than putting a frog in warm water and slowly putting it to a boil. Here is what a group of people not even from the island did in Hatteras and now the people have to suffer from it. They started a legislation for some stupid birds and now the government and enviromental group shut the whole beach down.

http://vimeo.com/14696293

More laws, more problems and even more crying from everyone. Ive lived here in AP my whole life, boaters were in LHL way before kayakers showed up and if it was so bad having boats in the LHL then all the fish would have been gone way long ago. Its stupid and these people need some actual facts. I went to LHL by boat last week, apparently the reds werent scared of the boat cause we quickly got our limit. No grass was uprooted and we have been doing it like this since I started fishing and I have NEVER had a confrontation with any kayakers. Im sorry that when when you go outdoors to the bay and fish you just happen to hear motor noise, Heaven forbid. If someone is really being harrased by a PB please do us all a favor and report the boat to TPW, it really isnt that hard. Take pictures, video, whatever. Get the TX numbers.

Have fun and just fish. Dont poo poo in someones wheaties

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ltorna1 · Full Grown Flour Bluffian Joined: 17 Apr 2009 Posts: 3240

DOA, not sure if you saw when I said that I don't support anythign that is not backed by science.
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cbroutfitters · Posted: Tue Dec 14, 2010 10:53 pm Post subject:

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DOA · Pony Mullet Joined: 29 Apr 2007 Posts: 55

""Sorry I was trying to stay out of this one but from what I know about Luke and what I have learned from him, he is one of the last people I would expect to as you put it claim "blind loyalty" to a faction.""

that's nice of you

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frayed · Posted: Wed Dec 15, 2010 8:34 am Post subject:

ltorna, simply b/c it's printed on the internet does not mean it is true. I've read their site, your links, and have read bits and pieces about them over the last year or so.

In fact, I don't think WPP has done an adequate job hiding their true intentions. They should have wrapped themselves in the cloak of habitat preservation first and foremost. In fact, perhaps they would have been better off not calling themselves WPP, advocating strict closure of sensitive areas, but settling on 'low impact' fishing techniques.

Poor poker players? Time will tell.

Donna and the turtle groupies have shown how to play this game successfully.

And while I personally would enjoy the serenity of miles of 'low impact' flats (b/c I can access them), I cannot endorse additional, exclusionary regulation.
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landlocked beachbum · Posted: Wed Dec 15, 2010 9:40 am Post subject:

Quote from DOA: "Like you, I would like to see research, studies and definitive proof of the impact MB's have on the fishery."

We supposedly had that in spades from the scientific community when it comes to the dreaded "GW", and look where that lead. Science can be manipulated to show whatever result someone or some group choose it to show. Not until the oft times too late lid is opened and the light of day (and truth) is allowed to shine in are the real facts known, yet the damage is done.

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Tyler · Site Admin Joined: 06 Mar 2006 Posts: 12865

Here is the info from Capt. Dean Thomas. Yes he does run kayak trips but also runs about half of his charters in his boat. I asked him why he is in favor of LIFA low impact fishing areas and here is his response in the form of a letter he wrote to the Coastal Bend Guides Association. Regardless of what you think of the WPP guys Dean is no way an elitist. Cajun oilfield trash that loves to fish yes, elitist no. Smile

I know a lot of you are adamantly opposed to WPP but if you are going to have such a strong opinion it should be based on facts and not internet chatter and boat ramp rumors.

NO boats will be excluded from any areas. What is proposed is that areas be designated for wading poling or TROLLING...which means you can run on your troll motor in any boat you like and go anywhere you want...it will simply imposes a speed limit on some of the shallowest and most fragile areas of our bays.

Establishing LIFAs (low impact fishing areas) will benefit all anglers....

How does this benefit all anglers you ask?

Everyday we go out there and spend an incredible amount of time moving quietly into an area (usually with a troll motor or pole) getting set up understanding that the catching will be difficult if too much disturbance is created. Then all it takes is one boat to run through your area and all of that effort was for nothing. On a good long drift across the flats there is always someone willing to run right in front of a downwind drift and that is the end of that.

Now if you had an area that you knew you could go to and spend the same amount of time getting set up and everyone else who ventured into that area would have to put the same effort, wouldn't you want that? And once you got set up there would be no chance of being run over while your there. That is what WPP (wade paddle pole) supports.

Currently there are 41 no-motor zones in effect in shallow inland bays in Florida. They are wildly popular with all anglers and are supported by recreational anglers, guides, and communities. With the most recent zone being selected by guides as "pole only".

As anglers we should actually help WPP establish which areas should be protected. Who actually has more knowledge about how to attack each flat out there? We do, it the people who are out there every day, that's us. Our input would be welcomed and a great asset to the process.

Simply opposing this is doing a disservice to the resource. It is a legitimate issue based on the fact that pressures on the resource has increased immensely and management of the resource for the good of all has to start somewhere.

No one should take my opinion based on this. I recommend that you go to the website and read what it says and base your opinion on how you feel about it. Then we can come together as the months progress and come up with a real solution to one of the biggest issues on our public waterways.

Thank you for your time.

Here is the link: http://www.wadepaddlepole.net/action.html

Thank you,

Capt. Dean Thomas

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landlocked beachbum · Posted: Wed Dec 15, 2010 11:18 am Post subject:

Tyler, that all sounds great and practical. Problem is, Hitler likewise fit that same bill to the German people at one time. Totally different scenario I know but the concept is darn close.

I would also enjoy being able to fish some areas without being harassed by morons, but it's darn hard to put the Genei back in the bottle if you get more than you wanted.

JMO
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