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Capt Mike Singleterry Full Grown Flour Bluffian
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Posted: Thu Apr 15, 2010 5:59 am Post subject: TP&W Fisheries Management Workshops |
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TP&W Department-Coastal Fisheries will host a series of workshops on how to get involved in the fisheries management process. Staff will provide an overview of why fisheries are managed, how state and federal fisheries management works, which agencies are involved and what each of their roles is, and what fisheries issues are comming. The goal of the workshops is to provied attendees with the knowledge and understanding
needed to become successful participants in the fisheries management process.
Workshops will begin at 7pm and will be held at the following locations:
April 15, 2010
TPWD Dickinson Marine Lab
1502 FM 517 E
Dickinson, TX
April 20, 2010
Calhoun County Fair Grounds
Extensuon Building Ag Auditprium
156 County Road 101
Port Lavaca, TX
April 21,2010
Texas A&M Corpus Christi
Natural Resources Center
Room 1003
6300 Ocean Drive
Corpus Christi, Texas
April 22, 2010
Port Isabel Community Center
213 Yturria
Port Isabel, TX
For more information please contact Tonya Wiley, TPWD Dickinson Marine Lab. 281-534-0131, tonya.wiley@tpwd.state.tx.us or Art Morris, TPWD CorpusChristi Field Station, 361-825-3356, art.morris@tpwd.state.tx.us |
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Rebecca of Sunnybrookfarm Full Grown Flour Bluffian

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Posted: Thu Apr 15, 2010 8:50 am Post subject: |
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WTF is this all about??!! _________________
| Central Scrutinizer wrote: | | Thanks for the Memories, Ranger Rick. |
| ziacatcher wrote: | | However I bet if you were fishing naked Ranger Rick would have a problem with that |
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chuck Member White Shrimper Boot Club

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Posted: Thu Apr 15, 2010 9:07 am Post subject: |
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I might go,
I wonder if it has to do with TPWD needing/wanting help in research and stuff like that.
I would suspect their budget is getting trimed down and they can't afford to have staffers to every thing. Maybe just a guess.
There are others at TAMUCC that would have a better idea. |
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Rebecca of Sunnybrookfarm Full Grown Flour Bluffian

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Posted: Thu Apr 15, 2010 9:33 am Post subject: |
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nah, I just talked to Art, think of it like "Federal Fisheries 101"
they're just going to explain the GCMFC's and all that jazz, mostly feds and EEZ stuff.
I'll be there though
PF _________________
| Central Scrutinizer wrote: | | Thanks for the Memories, Ranger Rick. |
| ziacatcher wrote: | | However I bet if you were fishing naked Ranger Rick would have a problem with that |
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Bayslammer Member White Shrimper Boot Club

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Posted: Thu Apr 15, 2010 10:33 am Post subject: |
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Thank You Mike...
I recieved a letter about these workshops last week. Art Morris has given me all of the information that is going to be put out at meetings already. I'm sure he is sick of my e-mails and opinions. I just wish someone would let us know actual numbers from the most recent gill net surveys and previous. Declining or lower does not mean holding steady where I went to school. Even when I ask the techs at the ramp for results of thier surveys they don't know or won't say. Would they not have that information passed down to them? The TPWD website has a generic chart. What about the results of the tiderunner survey done by the University?
I'm told all of the decisions concerning any concerns about declining trout populations or limit reductions to keep the fishery healthy are based on the results of these surveys. _________________ Grind
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ltorna1 Full Grown Flour Bluffian
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Posted: Thu Apr 15, 2010 11:44 am Post subject: |
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Generally data is made available to the public when it is published, not immediately as it is collected. I don't imagine every TPWD staff has available at their fingertips at all times the results of gillnet surveys over the last several seasons. Most of there job is collecting the data and enforcing regulations. Its not that the data is meant to be kept secret, but somebody has to try and make sense of it and put it into context before sharing with anyone and everyone that asks at the boat ramp. As far as the tide-runnner survey at the university, as far as I know there are no results yet, it is still ongoing, but I assume that as with most studies that labs perform, they will be released to the public in the form of an article in a peer-reviewed journal.
But if you do want more information about your fisheries, straight from the horses mouth, sounds like these workshops are where its at. I would go... _________________ ...if my boss ever finds this forum I'll be unemployed... |
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Bayslammer Member White Shrimper Boot Club

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Posted: Thu Apr 15, 2010 12:05 pm Post subject: |
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Do you know where I can find the most recent numbers? The TPWD website fisheries management link has the data from 02'-03'. The populations are species specific and the number is given in percentage (increase/decline). I read an article in GCC concerning the surveys, but I don't recall where they retrieved the data. I can't find any information about data collected at the ramps by personnel. Maybe you can help with that too. I know it's out ther...just can't find it I guess. _________________ Grind |
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Tyler Site Admin

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Posted: Thu Apr 15, 2010 12:10 pm Post subject: |
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| I met Laura Bivin, the grad student who is doing the tiderunner research for her master's thesis last night at Snooker Ed's and she told me it will be an ongoing study with just preliminary findings used from now until she graduates in December. So far they have had one tag returned from a fish someone filleted. Fortunately they were able to get that high dollar transponder out of it's gut before it became pelican food. |
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topdog15 Full Grown Flour Bluffian

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Posted: Thu Apr 15, 2010 12:15 pm Post subject: |
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fisheries data is tough b/c you can't simply look at it for one year and make any assumptions. the data has to be compiled for many years (usually a generation which for trout may be upwards of nine years) before any statement as to the health of a particular fishery can be made. that's not saying we have to wait a decade before we know if things are good or bad, but last years numbers will mean nothing if not coupled w/ the data from years before and years to come. _________________ "Ya'll must eat a lot of fish" |
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Capt Mike Singleterry Full Grown Flour Bluffian
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Posted: Thu Apr 15, 2010 12:24 pm Post subject: |
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| topdog15 wrote: | | fisheries data is tough b/c you can't simply look at it for one year and make any assumptions. the data has to be compiled for many years (usually a generation which for trout may be upwards of nine years) before any statement as to the health of a particular fishery can be made. that's not saying we have to wait a decade before we know if things are good or bad, but last years numbers will mean nothing if not coupled w/ the data from years before and years to come. |
and Thank You Aaron....It seems alot of people don't understand this is how it has to work.
The fish tagging/tiderunner program seems to me to be going in the wrong direction. From what I understand the fish that are being tagged are resident fish from the local tournaments. Tiderunners have not shown up in the ULM yet but could be showing up in the LLM and Port Mansfield. I understand there has just been a handful of surf trout tagged
at least that was the last report I had, the weather so far this year has made catching surf trout a difficult thing.
not to create argument I'm just saying.
Mike |
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Tyler Site Admin

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Posted: Thu Apr 15, 2010 12:48 pm Post subject: |
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| You are right on, Mike. |
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ltorna1 Full Grown Flour Bluffian
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Posted: Thu Apr 15, 2010 12:54 pm Post subject: |
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Good point capt. mike. From what I understand, there are specific regions where fish are being targeted, and I believe surf fish are one of those being specifically targeted in addition to those caught in Baffin tournaments and here locally in the areas of the laguna, etc. There is a method to the madness, not just tagging random fish at random times and hoping that some of them happen to be tiderunners. I imagine the main problem in targeting these surf fish is just like you said,actually getting those fish (tough fishing conditions), tagging them, and releasing them healthy back into the surf. And as for the timing of when fish show up in different areas,I think they will be tagging into the summer (at least until they get the desired numbers of trout tagged). Keep in mind, this is just my two cents, I am a good friend of Laura, but I surely don't want to speak 100% on behalf of their lab, because I am not involved in the study, nor is it my right to go spewing the exact details of there study on a public forum even if I knew the details. Just trying to give insight on what I think is the general goal of the program. _________________ ...if my boss ever finds this forum I'll be unemployed... |
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Capt Mike Singleterry Full Grown Flour Bluffian
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Posted: Thu Apr 15, 2010 1:05 pm Post subject: |
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| ltorna1 wrote: | | Good point capt. mike. From what I understand, there are specific regions where fish are being targeted, and I believe surf fish are one of those being specifically targeted in addition to those caught in Baffin tournaments and here locally in the areas of the laguna, etc. There is a method to the madness, not just tagging random fish at random times and hoping that some of them happen to be tiderunners. I imagine the main problem in targeting these surf fish is just like you said,actually getting those fish (tough fishing conditions), tagging them, and releasing them healthy back into the surf. And as for the timing of when fish show up in different areas,I think they will be tagging into the summer (at least until they get the desired numbers of trout tagged). Keep in mind, this is just my two cents, I am a good friend of Laura, but I surely don't want to speak 100% on behalf of their lab, because I am not involved in the study, nor is it my right to go spewing the exact details of there study on a public forum even if I knew the details. Just trying to give insight on what I think is the general goal of the program. |
The tiderunners migration is tied to the brown shrimp migration. The brown shrimp just started their migration out the ICW.
We're about three weeks away from tiderunners in the ULM.
The surf trout could be targeted at the jetties in PA or Packery in the next few weeks if conditions continue to get better.
Mike |
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Bayslammer Member White Shrimper Boot Club

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Posted: Thu Apr 15, 2010 3:38 pm Post subject: |
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fisheries data is tough b/c you can't simply look at it for one year and make any assumptions. the data has to be compiled for many years (usually a generation which for trout may be upwards of nine years) before any statement as to the health of a particular fishery can be made. that's not saying we have to wait a decade before we know if things are good or bad, but last years numbers will mean nothing if not coupled w/ the data from years before and years to come.
Thanks for the post Aaron....great answer! Just thought I would ask the experts before I started making "assumptions" AGAIN. What about the surveys at the ramps done all Summer? _________________ Grind |
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Capt Mike Singleterry Full Grown Flour Bluffian
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Posted: Fri Apr 16, 2010 6:24 am Post subject: |
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| Bayslammer wrote: | fisheries data is tough b/c you can't simply look at it for one year and make any assumptions. the data has to be compiled for many years (usually a generation which for trout may be upwards of nine years) before any statement as to the health of a particular fishery can be made. that's not saying we have to wait a decade before we know if things are good or bad, but last years numbers will mean nothing if not coupled w/ the data from years before and years to come.
Thanks for the post Aaron....great answer! Just thought I would ask the experts before I started making "assumptions" AGAIN. What about the surveys at the ramps done all Summer? |
Hey Joe....why don't you try to get hold of this guy. It seems he did a creel
count on me everytime I pulled up to the dock last season. I think some of the board members know him...
Todd Neahr
Coastal Fisheries Division
Natural Resources Center/Upper Laguna Madre
Bay Ecosystem Biologist
361-825-3354 Office
todd.neahr@tpwd.state.tx.us email
Maybe he can help answer questions you might have. He was always
very courteous toward me and my clients even though I would mess with him
Mike
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