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Kyle46n Finger Mullet
Joined: 01 Dec 2009 Posts: 19 Location: San Antonio
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Posted: Thu Dec 03, 2009 8:14 am Post subject: Pompano questions |
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First, hello! I've been meaning to join this board. I'm active duty Air Force up here in San Antonio. I've made a couple trips so far down to the coast and look forward to many more this coming year.
I used to fish for pompano and whiting on the east coast of Florida quite a bit. I've figured out the whiting here on the Texas coast (not too difficult... they are everywhere! ), but have not caught any pomps. Of course I haven't heard too many reports until recently and I also hear alot about "pomp windows". What's this all about? Are these pompano migrating from somewhere? I know in Florida they would migrate back to the warmer waters of Cocoa Beach and south during the winter. Is it the same here? Also, do these pomps come in close to the beach? We had a much deeper first gut and second gut in Florida. So we would catch em in close pretty often. Obviously here, things are more shallow. Sand fleas were gold in Florida for pompano and whiting. I've caught plenty of whiting here on cut shrimp, but are ya'll using anything different for pomps? We don't even have sandfleas on the Texas coast do we? Anyways, thanks for helping me out with these questions. I love to post informative reports when I go, so I always return the favor.
Kyle |
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chuck Member White Shrimper Boot Club

Joined: 08 Nov 2007 Posts: 889 Location: BLUFF
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Posted: Thu Dec 03, 2009 9:13 am Post subject: |
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I don't know much about any of it, i just saw the posts and went for it.
I did use live/dead shrimp on a double drop leader.
Waded out the bar and casted towards the second one.
I know calmer conditons help so here's a link to what the surf's gonna be doing
http://www.swellinfo.com/surf-forecast/corpus-christi-texas.html
But i do know they were great eating and alot of the ones we caught were in 15+" range.
Good luck. |
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2salty4U Flour Bluffian in training
Joined: 14 Dec 2007 Posts: 369 Location: Austin, Texas
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Posted: Thu Dec 03, 2009 9:22 am Post subject: |
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| First, a genuine thank you for your military service. Second, welcome to the board. You'll get some better answers here than I can give, but from what I have read over the last couple of years, I think a pomp window is when the surf is calmer than usual, making it easier to spot fish and bait activity in the water. I think it's mainly a "flattening" condition created by wind speed and direction. Having said that, I've never caught a pompano, and although I'd like to, I haven't fished the surf. You just can't avoid learning a lot from reading here. |
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Big Ed Member White Shrimper Boot Club

Joined: 22 Mar 2006 Posts: 673 Location: San Antonio
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Posted: Thu Dec 03, 2009 10:13 am Post subject: |
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Most regular pomp fishermen are using FRESH dead shrimp, peeled and placed on a hook with a piece of a product called "fishbites". These allow a bait to stay on your hook after the delicate shrimp are long gone. The "window" refers to both a lack of wind and clearing surf (they kinda go together don''t they?). In most place you need to wade out to the first bar and throw to either just inside or just outside the second bar. If you could reach the third bar that would work also. On the Padre Island National Seashore (PINS) there are places where the gut right off the beach is much deeper. Especially in the area called "Big Shell" (about 18 through 30 miles after you get off the paved road. You must have a 4WD to reach into Big Shell. The area is also called "The Bluffs" at times due to the build up of one to three foot sand "cliffs" in some areas. In that area you can sometimes catch them in the first gut right off the beach or the second. (more commonly called by locals the wade gut and first gut). You will occasionally find water just a few foot off the beach that is chest deep or more here. This area has an abundance of shell mixed with the sand and converging currents. It can be a great fishing area. Unfortunatly the convergence of currents also means that at times there is an overabundance of trash, grass and seaweed in the Big Shell.
My daughter and son in law are both in the Air Force. The son in law is doing his mandatory Petagon tour (that he hates) and my daughter is currently a supply officer in Kuwait. Gotta love the AF. Good Luck. _________________ Big Ed
San Antonio
"A word to the wise ain't necessary. It's the stupid ones who need advice.", Bill Cosby |
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The Trash Heap Full Grown Flour Bluffian

Joined: 06 Mar 2006 Posts: 1932 Location: Corpus Christi
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Posted: Thu Dec 03, 2009 11:51 am Post subject: Re: Pompano questions |
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| Kyle46n wrote: | First, hello! I've been meaning to join this board. I'm active duty Air Force up here in San Antonio. I've made a couple trips so far down to the coast and look forward to many more this coming year.
I used to fish for pompano and whiting on the east coast of Florida quite a bit. I've figured out the whiting here on the Texas coast (not too difficult... they are everywhere! ), but have not caught any pomps. Of course I haven't heard too many reports until recently and I also hear alot about "pomp windows". What's this all about? Are these pompano migrating from somewhere? I know in Florida they would migrate back to the warmer waters of Cocoa Beach and south during the winter. Is it the same here? Also, do these pomps come in close to the beach? We had a much deeper first gut and second gut in Florida. So we would catch em in close pretty often. Obviously here, things are more shallow. Sand fleas were gold in Florida for pompano and whiting. I've caught plenty of whiting here on cut shrimp, but are ya'll using anything different for pomps? We don't even have sandfleas on the Texas coast do we? Anyways, thanks for helping me out with these questions. I love to post informative reports when I go, so I always return the favor.
Kyle |
This is the advice given recently on this board, then re-used on Nick's, and just now come full-circle:
| Quote: | The easy part of pomp fishing to describe is the gear. Your LDXs are fine. Use small, thin-wire circle hooks, e.g. 2/0 Eagle Claw Seaguard L197, on double-drop leaders w/ 2.5- to 3-oz sand spider sinkers. Thread Fish'nStrips in your preferred color and flavor on each hook all the way to the eye, then cover the rest of the hook with peeled shrimp.
The hard part is in describing where to fish. You need to reach across the first and/or wade gut (depends on your definition and the state of the tide) and fish in the second or third gut (again depending on where you begin counting). In order to reduce the amount of wading and casting to reach pomp territory, that means scouting for structures like points and pinches where the beach projects waterward and the guts in front narrow.
Pomps are sight feeders that target crustaceans, sand dollars and small clams. They'll move from one side of a bar to another as the tide changes, so vary your casts when you first arrive until you find them, and vary again if the bites seem to slow down. Don't hesitate to drive on to find new stuctures if they aren't biting at all.
The hardest part is finding the conditions that make up the pomp window and allow you to find the structures described above and to reach the fish easily. That means the water has to have been relatively calm for a few days to allow the waves and the sand to settle. It's most favorable usually about 2 to 3 days after a cold front's passage, but before the return of a strong (15-knot +) southeast wind. A west wind during any of the time after the norther will settle the waves and clear the water faster than any other conditions, make the tides lower than normal so you can find structure, and improve casting distance greatly. Yesterday was a perfect example.
Watch the wave heights at NWS offshore station 42020. If they're down to 2 feet or less, and predicted to stay that way for a couple of days, a window may be opening. The NWS also has an experimental wave forecast site that will give nearshore predictions right up to the beach anywhere along PINS. If all else fails, look for my pomp window announcements here and on Nick's message board. Finally, if my friends and I plan to use that window, we're usually buying bait at Billings' just before 0630, so you can follow us down and get instructions on reading structure first-hand.
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I have a brother who was with the AF for 20 years, and also stationed in SA once upon a time. He's retired now to Navarre, FL, but still works for the AF at Hurlburt as a contractor. Doesn't know diddly about pomp fishing, except that his neighbor sight-casts for them with a lure off a nearby pier.
We do have two species of sand fleas (AKA mole crabs) on PINS, and on rare occasions they can be pretty abundant, but I suspect the NPS has ruled against anyone digging for them to use as bait. When I notice a lot of cast-off sand flea carapaces or fresh sand dollars in the latest drift line, I take that as a good sign there'll be pompano feeding offshore. Fresh dead shrimp and Fishn'strips are sure to work, so why take the trouble to hunt for sand fleas? _________________ The Trash Heap Has Spoken!
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Tyler Site Admin

Joined: 06 Mar 2006 Posts: 12865
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Posted: Thu Dec 03, 2009 12:01 pm Post subject: |
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Welcome! I think you've got the info you need now. Post up a report next time you come down and thanks for your service.
Tyler |
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Kyle46n Finger Mullet
Joined: 01 Dec 2009 Posts: 19 Location: San Antonio
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Posted: Thu Dec 03, 2009 12:53 pm Post subject: Thanks a bunch |
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Thanks for the info everyone. I'm definitely familiar with fish bites. I'm currently driving a two wheel drive Tundra, so no PINS for me ( I read the "Driving PINS" section here). I'll stick to the Corpus beaches. I make my own double hook rigs out of all mono except for the hooks....I use 1 to 1/0 mutu lights, Owner. So I'm good on the equipment. Need to buy some better surf rods for casting distance though. Thanks again.
Kyle |
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omaka Horse Mullet
Joined: 19 Oct 2006 Posts: 205 Location: San Antonio
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Posted: Thu Dec 03, 2009 1:40 pm Post subject: pomps |
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Kyle, if you like throwing arties tnem pomps love gold Gotcha Plugs, gold spoons, and speck rigs provided conditions are ideal. I've had excellent catches on arties during Sept/Oct. Good luck! Go Air Force! and Go Spurs!  |
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cj8mule Pony Mullet

Joined: 13 Sep 2008 Posts: 66
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Posted: Thu Dec 03, 2009 2:32 pm Post subject: |
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Kyle- We are an AF family in SA. I'd be glad to take you on a trip to PINS. Was that you I pulled out on the 20mm on PINS last Saturday? (that was a tan/brown 2wd tundra). I won't be going to PINS this weekend, but we could hook up next weekend (12-13th). I usually post a report but didn't for last Saturday. We caught 2 slot reds, 3 pompano, and a 30 pound red that was around 40".... and of course a lot of whiting. PM me if you want to go. _________________ A veteran is someone who, at one point in their life, wrote a blank check made payable to the United States of America, for an amount of....up to and including their lives. |
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The Trash Heap Full Grown Flour Bluffian

Joined: 06 Mar 2006 Posts: 1932 Location: Corpus Christi
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Posted: Thu Dec 03, 2009 2:39 pm Post subject: Re: Thanks a bunch |
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| Kyle46n wrote: | Thanks for the info everyone. I'm definitely familiar with fish bites. I'm currently driving a two wheel drive Tundra, so no PINS for me ( I read the "Driving PINS" section here). I'll stick to the Corpus beaches. I make my own double hook rigs out of all mono except for the hooks....I use 1 to 1/0 mutu lights, Owner. So I'm good on the equipment. Need to buy some better surf rods for casting distance though. Thanks again.
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Hope I didn't leave the impression with you that pomps and sand fleas only frequent the 4WD areas of the PINS and other Texas Gulf beaches. You'll just have to wade a little further if you cast for pomps elsewhere, or walk out on a pier or jetty to do your casting.
There are a couple of recently-productive areas in PINS that are well within the reach of your Tundra, i.e., the North Sticks surf that lies just north of pedestrian-only Malaquite Beach, and the surf on either side of the 4WD sign on South Beach. The first place is easily reached just after you reduce speed to 45 upon entry into the park proper, but you turn left to reach the beach before you go through the park's admissions gate. The row of bollards separating the driving portion of PINS's North Beach from Malaquite is where the place gets its name.
The second site is a little more than 4 miles south of where the pavement ends beyond the visitor center. Don't worry about getting stuck if you drive a little ways past that sign, but on really bad driving days I'd not venture a few miles more. It can be tempting to do that at low tide when the lower beach is smooth, but on returning at high tide you may find no where to drive but in the soft ruts on the upper beach. _________________ The Trash Heap Has Spoken!
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Kyle46n Finger Mullet
Joined: 01 Dec 2009 Posts: 19 Location: San Antonio
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Posted: Thu Dec 03, 2009 2:58 pm Post subject: |
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| cj8mule wrote: | | Kyle- We are an AF family in SA. I'd be glad to take you on a trip to PINS. Was that you I pulled out on the 20mm on PINS last Saturday? (that was a tan/brown 2wd tundra). I won't be going to PINS this weekend, but we could hook up next weekend (12-13th). I usually post a report but didn't for last Saturday. We caught 2 slot reds, 3 pompano, and a 30 pound red that was around 40".... and of course a lot of whiting. PM me if you want to go. |
That wasn't me. I haven't been to PINS yet. I'll be working next weekend...shift work, but may look you up sometime soon. Thanks for the offer! |
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crhfish Member White Shrimper Boot Club

Joined: 15 Mar 2006 Posts: 574
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Posted: Thu Dec 03, 2009 10:57 pm Post subject: |
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| That brings back a good memory. I used to fish the East coast of Florida allot as a kid. From Melbourne down to Sebastian. Never worried about bait. We always took a little sand flea trap and had all the bait we needed. Huge sand fleas over there and all of the fish loved them. |
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kinnakeeter Finger Mullet

Joined: 02 Nov 2008 Posts: 18 Location: SATX
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Posted: Fri Dec 04, 2009 7:28 pm Post subject: Re: Thanks a bunch |
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| Kyle46n wrote: | | Need to buy some better surf rods for casting distance though. |
Some of the best distance casters in this state live in San Antonio. You should come out to an SFCCI casting session one Sunday and meet some folks. PM sent. _________________ There's a fine line between fishing and just standing on the shore like an idiot. ~Steven Wright |
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ccbobber Full Grown Flour Bluffian
Joined: 21 May 2006 Posts: 2359 Location: The Island
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Posted: Sat Dec 05, 2009 6:31 am Post subject: welcome |
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welcome to the board. info already furnished exceeds my experience. having fished several times with johnny(trashy heap), you can't go wrong going with/following him down pins for some pomp lessons. _________________ ccbobber |
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mickeyd Flour Bluffian in training
Joined: 27 Nov 2007 Posts: 495 Location: FULTON, TX 78358
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Posted: Sat Dec 05, 2009 7:55 pm Post subject: Pomps |
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As stated above, these guys know their stuff.
If you want to fish around Port A. you might consider fishing Mustang Island around dunes 29 down to the 40's. You can go in at the new golf course at beach access rd. 1a and drive that beach in two wheel drive mode. I have never killed the pomps in that area like you can down on PINS but we have always picked up a few, especially this time of year on into April. _________________ Mike |
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