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chapcat54
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 Posted: Sun Jun 21, 2015 9:13 am Post subject: Wake Baits For Saltwater Fishing |
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Has anyone tried, or have been using wake baits for trout and reds, either in the flats or surf?
What I have been looking for is a lure that will ride on top of the water and produce at least somewhat similar action to walking the dog, but without the fatigue produced after long sessions of applying the motion to make Spooks and Skitterwalks style lures effective.
Rapala recently came out with the BX Waking Minnow that does not actually possess the exact walking the dog motion, but it does swim/roll on the surface in a somewhat similar way. It looks like it might fit the bill. The Buckeye Wake Up looks even more promising, but they are very expensive and very hard to find in stock anywhere. Here are links to videos showing them work:
https://youtu.be/ccnt59ZxV68
https://youtu.be/vHelhFCKeSU
Your thoughts are appreciated on whether you think these can be effective for trout and reds, or if you have used wake baits with success. |
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BayFly
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Chap, you must be a young'un! One of the easiest topwater baits to use and most productive is the Rapala floating "broken back". It has a lip and is divided about mid-way and has a similar action to the plugs you are displaying links
to, but also dives slightly. It's rear section hangs below the surface, thus eliminates a lot of "blowups", much like a suspending bait. It is very effective, but not very available today for some reason. Like most baits, over time many lose their popularity, thus are not carried by many retailers. I've got one silver one the paint is totally wore off, so now it's an off-white bait! Hopefully Rapala will make them in the new plastic version where the color is inside, so it's protected from the teeth and the appearance holds up a little longer.
Rapala's website calls them "jointed", and they are available in various colors, and from 2" to 5.25", thus various weights. The depth they dive to depends on your application of pressure and addition weight to the line. I've typically pulled them just below the surface, then let them rise back to the floating position, then dive again. They are extremely effective and easy to deploy. Made for a lazy topwater guy! 
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Quick Karl
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| Posted: Sun Jun 21, 2015 10:51 am Post subject: |
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| BayFly wrote: | Chap, you must be a young'un! One of the easiest topwater baits to use and most productive is the Rapala floating "broken back". It has a lip and is divided about mid-way and has a similar action to the plugs you are displaying links
to, but also dives slightly. It's rear section hangs below the surface, thus eliminates a lot of "blowups", much like a suspending bait. It is very effective, but not very available today for some reason. Like most baits, over time many lose their popularity, thus are not carried by many retailers. I've got one silver one the paint is totally wore off, so now it's an off-white bait! Hopefully Rapala will make them in the new plastic version where the color is inside, so it's protected from the teeth and the appearance holds up a little longer. |
You can get all you want on Amazon - even the real Balsa versions if'n you like... |
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5moreminutes
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| Posted: Sun Jun 21, 2015 11:02 am Post subject: |
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If your throwing a topwater for long periods of time then you may look at your set up. Look for the lightest Rod and reel possible that is in your budget.
Needs to have a decent backbone and go with braid line. A mono line will absorb the tugs given to walk the dog as it stretches. That will help with the fatigue portion. Also look at the size of the top water you are throwing.
Yes - there are wake baits that are effective for reds. I have not had the luck with trout.
Manns minus 1 and strike pros hunch back. Great wake baits!
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chapcat54
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| BayFly wrote: | | ....Chap, you must be a young'un! .... |
Oh, how I wish I was a young'un. I'm sixty and out of shape, LOL. Thats one of the problems. My arm strength ain't what it used to be.
Other than spoons and some jigs, I have only in the last three or four years began using lures more than natural baits in saltwater. If I appear somewhat naive, that is the reason. I've been away from CC, my hometown, since 83, and just permanently returned in Jan.
I am familiar with the Rapala broken back from fresh water use in the past, but it does dive more than I would like. I have an old gold, red and black broken back still in my possession that I will try out and see if it will run on the surface to my liking. |
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chapcat54
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| Posted: Sun Jun 21, 2015 12:34 pm Post subject: |
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| 5moreminutes wrote: | If your throwing a topwater for long periods of time then you may look at your set up. Look for the lightest Rod and reel possible that is in your budget.
Needs to have a decent backbone and go with braid line. A mono line will absorb the tugs given to walk the dog as it stretches. That will help with the fatigue portion. Also look at the size of the top water you are throwing.
Yes - there are wake baits that are effective for reds. I have not had the luck with trout.
Manns minus 1 and strike pros hunch back. Great wake baits! |
I recently purchased a new Shimano Curado left handed, mainly for topwater use, so I can work the rod with my stronger right hand. I have Trilene XL 14# mono on it, so I may need to look at putting braid on it to see if that will help as you advise. |
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Quick Karl
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| Posted: Sun Jun 21, 2015 1:00 pm Post subject: |
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| chapcat54 wrote: | | BayFly wrote: | | ....Chap, you must be a young'un! .... |
Oh, how I wish I was a young'un. I'm sixty and out of shape, LOL. Thats one of the problems. My arm strength ain't what it used to be.
Other than spoons and some jigs, I have only in the last three or four years began using lures more than natural baits in saltwater. If I appear somewhat naive, that is the reason. I've been away from CC, my hometown, since 83, and just permanently returned in Jan.
I am familiar with the Rapala broken back from fresh water use in the past, but it does dive more than I would like. I have an old gold, red and black broken back still in my possession that I will try out and see if it will run on the surface to my liking. |
I feel the same way you do but if I went back to my home town to fish for what remains of my life the weather would kill me.
My all time favorite top water lure, is a Rebel Pop-R. It might fill the niche you are trying to fill, and they cast like magic! And Rapala now makes a fantastic plastic popper that comes if perfect colors... |
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chapcat54
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| Posted: Sun Jun 21, 2015 1:30 pm Post subject: |
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| Quick Karl wrote: | | chapcat54 wrote: | | BayFly wrote: | | ....Chap, you must be a young'un! .... |
Oh, how I wish I was a young'un. I'm sixty and out of shape, LOL. Thats one of the problems. My arm strength ain't what it used to be.
Other than spoons and some jigs, I have only in the last three or four years began using lures more than natural baits in saltwater. If I appear somewhat naive, that is the reason. I've been away from CC, my hometown, since 83, and just permanently returned in Jan.
I am familiar with the Rapala broken back from fresh water use in the past, but it does dive more than I would like. I have an old gold, red and black broken back still in my possession that I will try out and see if it will run on the surface to my liking. |
I feel the same way you do but if I went back to my home town to fish for what remains of my life the weather would kill me.
My all time favorite top water lure, is a Rebel Pop-R. It might fill the niche you are trying to fill, and they cast like magic! And Rapala now makes a fantastic plastic popper that comes if perfect colors... |
In 83, I moved from CC to Round Rock, and lived in the Austin area until 2002 before moving to Brownwood, then on to Colorado. I used to have a 16' jon and fished Lake Travis and Lake Austin frequently back in the late 80's and 90's, so I am familiar with poppers, chuggers, and such. I used to work points and boat docks on Travis with Spooks and Jitterbugs in the summer on calmer days, and caught many bass.
What I really want is a topwater that resembles a mullet but will stay on top but with a more aggressive swimming action like actually walking the dog with a Spook. The lure maker that can come up with that bait is sure as heck gonna get some of my bread.  |
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ziacatcher
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chapcat54
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Thanks, zia.
I saw these on the Bass Pro Shops site and was curious if they would work well in saltwater. I also saw a very similar lure to these in the BPS own make, called a croaker. |
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landlocked beachbum
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I too like switching from spinning to baitcasting and back to cut down on arm and wrist fatigue. You have not experienced arm/wrist fatigue until you try vertical jigging for a few hours, with jigs that go from maybe 7-12 ounces or more!  Very productive, but darn tiring.
Have you tried the Subwalk? No surface tension to ovecome means less effort required to get the right action. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=TWIt-XIVz_w
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gdavis
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| Posted: Sun Jun 21, 2015 6:55 pm Post subject: |
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| I haven't been able to find any of those Mann's wakers. I can only find the minus 1. Where have y'all been finding them? |
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ziacatcher
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| Posted: Sun Jun 21, 2015 7:08 pm Post subject: |
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| gdavis wrote: | | I haven't been able to find any of those Mann's wakers. I can only find the minus 1. Where have y'all been finding them? |
these I got years ago at Academy |
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gdavis
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| Yeah I still have the black and gold from ay back, but could use some other patterns. |
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chapcat54
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| Posted: Sun Jun 21, 2015 8:24 pm Post subject: |
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| gdavis wrote: | | I haven't been able to find any of those Mann's wakers. I can only find the minus 1. Where have y'all been finding them? |
I found some on Amazon.com |
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