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Razorback
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Moisticles
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| I'm all for the reduced limits |
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Central Scrutinizer
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| Moisticles wrote: | | I'm all for the reduced limits |
Even if it means the "possession limit" also goes down to 5?
Read the proposed changes VERY carefully and then decide.
That's an awful lot of $$$ spend for the sometimes fisherman from San Antonio and points north to come down and only be able to keep 5 fish, no matter how long they are on the coast....
Something to cogitate over. |
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speckled.trout
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| Posted: Mon Feb 17, 2014 8:43 am Post subject: |
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| Central Scrutinizer wrote: | | Moisticles wrote: | | I'm all for the reduced limits |
Even if it means the "possession limit" also goes down to 5?
Read the proposed changes VERY carefully and then decide.
That's an awful lot of $$$ spend for the sometimes fisherman from San Antonio and points north to come down and only be able to keep 5 fish, no matter how long they are on the coast....
Something to cogitate over. |
Yep, really messing with a lot of peoples livelihood for no other reason than a group of people think, without any scientific support, this is the correct thing to do. BS 
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Razorback
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| Posted: Mon Feb 17, 2014 9:13 am Post subject: |
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| Central Scrutinizer wrote: | | Moisticles wrote: | | I'm all for the reduced limits |
Even if it means the "possession limit" also goes down to 5?
Read the proposed changes VERY carefully and then decide.
That's an awful lot of $$$ spend for the sometimes fisherman from San Antonio and points north to come down and only be able to keep 5 fish, no matter how long they are on the coast....
Something to cogitate over. |
Is the possession limit going to change to 5 also? The article in the Chronicle didn't address that issue.
If so, it would be pretty hard to enforce that one. I guess TPW would have to set up roadblocks and on I-37 and dig thru your cooler and count the fillets. Oh wait... you could always claim the excess fillets were giant sand trout.
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Oil Field Trash II
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yeah good luck with that one.
I'd bet they're fully aware they're going to do the same thing they did down south, and have possession limits the same as the day limit.
you have several special interest groups pushing this poo poo, even if it goes against the science, surveys, and reality of what's going on. |
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Central Scrutinizer
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| Razorback wrote: | | Is the possession limit going to change to 5 also? The article in the Chronicle didn't address that issue. |
Yes, the current proposal would have it go down to 5. That is why I brought up the point for discussion.
| Razorback wrote: | | If so, it would be pretty hard to enforce that one. I guess TPW would have to set up roadblocks and on I-37 and dig thru your cooler and count the fillets. Oh wait... you could always claim the excess fillets were sand trout. |
While that may be true, it's not I-37 that the not-so-often fisherman with more than 5 trout need worry about the GW. [giant sandies or not!!  ]
But that escapes the larger point. Is a 5 fish possession limit really the way to go for this species? |
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ltorna1
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Whether it is the best move or not for the conservation of the species is a legit question, but I'm a little tired of hearing the 'come down from SA for only 5 fish' argument.
If you are coming down to put meat in the box, 5 trout, 3 reds a 5 black drum sounds like a good hall to me. Yes, black drum, Pogonias cromis, remember them, the species that could possibly be eating itself out of house and home because they are so abundant, and arguably the best tasting of the three. Ya don't need to buy 200 bucks worth of croakers to catch em either.
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speckled.trout
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| Central Scrutinizer wrote: |
But that escapes the larger point. Is a 5 fish possession limit really the way to go for this species? |
Don't think so CS, Maybe a slot length change would be more beneficial. The TP&W's posted studies showed a very good population of speckled trout in the Laguna Madre or for that matter along the whole Texas coast.
I can only speak for myself but should there be a limit change, my 5 trout per person will come off the top of the limit length as opposed to the lower length sizes. I would think a lot more people will be harvesting their 1 fish over 25". In my business after the limits are changed I can see 10 trout coming back to the cleaning table that weigh in at 45lb. as opposed to 20 trout coming back to the dock that weigh in at 30lbs.
culling up will be the thing, it's what is going on now in the lower Laguna.
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| I don't have anything worthy to add to the discussion but I definately am reading this. I appreciate the info and others outlooks on it. |
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speckled.trout
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Cudakilla
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Acck! Fishing the annual flounder run in Galveston has been a ritual for me. Extending the 2 fish limit 2 weeks into December pretty much does it for me. Not going to drive 3 hrs for 2 fish. Although we still catch them after Dec 14th they're much harder to catch then.
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Oil Field Trash II
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| ltorna1 wrote: | Whether it is the best move or not for the conservation of the species is a legit question, but I'm a little tired of hearing the 'come down from SA for only 5 fish' argument.
If you are coming down to put meat in the box, 5 trout, 3 reds a 5 black drum sounds like a good hall to me. Yes, black drum, Pogonias cromis, remember them, the species that could possibly be eating itself out of house and home because they are so abundant, and arguably the best tasting of the three. Ya don't need to buy 200 bucks worth of croakers to catch em either. |
the other argument is pretty consistent with "because 5 fish is plenty". I'm tired of hearing that one too.
let's let the numbers dictate what the take should be from the bays, not what catchy slogan got printed on the tshirts.
not to mention, what's the issue with a possession (double) limit? people come down, fish for two days. Why shouldn't they be allowed to keep two limits?
likewise when someone take a two day trip to a cabin. two days fishing... two days of limits. |
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Bay Grinder
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| I support the change so we can be proactive for increase of fishing pressure. In general the state is increasing in population as well as numbers of new fisherman. Maybe we can wait on it longer, but eventually we will revisit this issue again. And when we reach the threshold and have truly overfished, did we all get our fair share? |
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FoldCatOne
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When the enviro-wackos kill off the tourist trade to Corpus then the residents will have all the fish to themselves - NO JOBS , but they'll lhave the fish.
All it would really take for Corpus to dry up and blow away would be for the Base Realignment and Closure (BRAC) folks to decide to close down NAS. Then the city fathers might care if tourists came or not.
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