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David Rowsey
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| I wonder if Baffin Bay has its own little "dead zone". |
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"Interesting" is being too kind.
A little slanted and ill-informed is a more fitting description.
"Barring an unlikely change in the weather, much of the Gulf of Mexico could become an aquatic desert".  REALLY?
Next you will tell me that the sky is falling, an asteroid is about the plunge into the Earth, and a giant solar flare is poised to erase all of humanity (at least those that survived the zombie apocalypse that followed the EMP blast that resulted from the HAARP weather modification malfunction when they tried to steer that hurricane).  |
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HungerBuster
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In all seriousness, is there still debate that nitrogen-based agricultural fertilizers aren't causing dead zone issues in the gulf? I agree, the article goes over the top on aquatic desertry (hey, it has to be a word)-- but I think the basic adverse effects of all of that fertilizer run off are pretty much obvious in terms of its effect on aquatic life.
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ironmanstan
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153 metric tons that's a lot of fertilizer.
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| Central Scrutinizer wrote: | "Interesting" is being too kind.
A little slanted and ill-informed is a more fitting description.
"Barring an unlikely change in the weather, much of the Gulf of Mexico could become an aquatic desert". REALLY?
Next you will tell me that the sky is falling, an asteroid is about the plunge into the Earth, and a giant solar flare is poised to erase all of humanity (at least those that survived the zombie apocalypse that followed the EMP blast that resulted from the HAARP weather modification malfunction when they tried to steer that hurricane). |
The Weather Channels' programming lately is getting out of control....
yeah, why don't we just "Hack the Planet?".....LOL!
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Drake
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| ironmanstan wrote: | | 153 metric tons that's a lot of fertilizer. |
Your right that is a lot. Unfortunately most folks have no idea how much nitrogen, phosphorus, and potassium are applied annually. Based on my experience I would say that is a low ball number. While I agree with SC relative to the bias of the article there is no one that can convience me it (ag run off) does not have a negative impact on the watershed.
I grew up on a farm in an area dominated by farming the fertilizer companies, seed companies and mills. I watched Beaver, Tenkiller and Ouachita all go crystal clear to brown. |
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kweber
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why is Venice La considered the best fishing on the Gulf?
it's the last spot before the Ms. river empties into it...
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Drake
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| Posted: Thu Jun 20, 2013 6:39 pm Post subject: Run off |
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Talk to,the old timers around Venice, Pecan Island etc.. They will tell you it ain't as good as it used to be. But then what is, right. If i had to guess i would say the 80+ miles of bayou and sloughs filter a large portion of it out.
Most folks have no idea how much fertilizer, pesticides, insecticides, root stimulants etc it takes to make a 100 bushel acre of buck shot beans or a 70 bushel acre of rice.
I have no idea what the impact of agri run off is to the ULM, but it is not helping. But I don't want to give up my steak and taters either. |
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cdhknives
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| ironmanstan wrote: | | 153 metric tons that's a lot of fertilizer. |
The problem with big numbers like that is perspective...it is literally a (minuscule) drop in the bucket compared to the Gulf of Mexico. 153 tons in Baffin Bay would be catastrophic, 153 tons in the GOM is trivial.
The poison is all in the dosage. When one side of an argument throws out numbers without putting them into perspective I tend to assume their whole argument is slanted.
Or, to put it another way, until we know the GOM dead zone is a recent event, not something that has happened for thousands of years, the link between fertilizers and the dead zone is circumstantial at best...which is not to say we aren't making things worse, we may well be, but far too little burden of proof is used to justify conclusions in this world these days.
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