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sikesd
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Oil Field Trash II
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| Good for CCA stepping up to the plate and putting money into the texas coast. hopefully more will follow from other groups. |
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RodBreaker
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That's basstastic news! 
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riofrio
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| I started fishing the bayou back in the early 70's. Some of the best trips of my life were over there before it sanded in. This is a very worthwhile project. Thanks to CCA for helping to fund another LOCAL project. |
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16stoner
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| Posted: Thu Feb 23, 2012 7:19 pm Post subject: |
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| Copy that. Glad to see a lil money spent here at home. |
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Bay Grinder
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I'm very supportive of the CCA when it comes towards actually replenishing the fishery. However dredging is truly a mistake. It will only fill back in again, and again. And eventually a jetty would hold the pass.
Many engineering measures have reduced the sediment supply of our coast- such as damming up rivers and adding levees to rivers which allow sediment to deposit further out to sea than they typically would without engineering purposes. Less sediment supplied to coastlines lead to a transgression (loss of shoreline or land lost to sea) that is irreversible.
But thats ok, we can haul in 5,000,000 dump truck loads of sand to Galveston to fill in the sand lost to the north jetty.
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sikesd
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Jetty? I've been writing about this for nearly a decade and I've never metioned a proprosal for a Cedar Bayou jetty.
But your general point about the geological consequences of a jetty are well taken. |
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Bay Grinder
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| sikesd wrote: | Jetty? I've been writing about this for nearly a decade and I've never metioned a proprosal for a Cedar Bayou jetty.
But your general point about the geological consequences of a jetty are well taken. |
True, but when it silts back in what will they do next? Its not a geological consequence. Its a known fact. |
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Bay Grinder
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http://texascoastgeology.com/passes/cedarbayou.html
Here's some areal photos of the pass as it filled in. If it were dredged those lovely pictures would be just a snap shot of what will certainly occur in less than a lifetime.
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sikesd
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If something occurs as a consequence of an action then it is a cause-and-effect fact. Why are trying to make a distinction? Aren't we saying the same thing?
But more to the point, the engineering design of the two channels and their configuration is intended to minimize the consequence you referred to. I'm sure this outcome could be disputed. But please know that it was considered and addressed in the design by the folks at Coast and Harbor Engineering. |
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Bay Grinder
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| sikesd wrote: | | the engineering design of the two channels and their configuration is intended to minimize the consequence you referred to. I'm sure this outcome could be disputed. But please know that it was considered and addressed in the design by the folks at Coast and Harbor Engineering. |
I think the folks at Coast and Harbor Engineering need to engineer a water supply that will sustain water flow through the pass to keep sand from crossing the mouth of the pass that will fill it back in.
The pass was dredged in 1995 and by 2007-2008 it was closed. I'm looking forward to seeing the pass close again in 2025 after this dredge. How much will it cost to dredge it again? Sounds like some expensive fish to me. |
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sikesd
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| Some would say priceless. |
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Rebecca of Sunnybrookfarm
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| Bay Grinder wrote: | | How much will it cost to dredge it again? Sounds like some expensive fish to me. |
The pass has spent most of the time open since 1915 (a little over 70%), except the longest time shut was when it was bulldozed closed in response to IXTOC. the 1995 dredging was done incorrectly as it did not include Vinson's Slough, and may have actually exacerbated the issue.
many folks, like you, are wary of the steep costs vs. the benefits. as part of the permitting process and required analysis/studies, it was determined that other species will likely benefit from the pass being open as well (i.e. whooping cranes). if the mandatory studies post-construction of the current dredging show that indeed some of these other endangered and threatened species are provided beneficial habitat, then in the future more $$ may become available for maintenance.
then again, if the studies show that dredging wasn't beneficial, then maybe this whole project will go away. I tend not to believe that though. If you want to talk about a real money pit, take a look at the mouth of the San Bernard river (no offense to the folks that are organized and trying to get that accomplished - yet again).
my honest question to you Bay Grinder, is what other projects would you use that $6.4 million to complete?
PF
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Oil Field Trash II
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6.4 million? maybe they could give the money to the city of corpus christi, and fill some pot holes, since the local government seems incapable of
getting anything done with the current (and shockingly high tax rate) they have down there right now.....  |
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Bay Grinder
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| porkfetus wrote: | what other projects would you use that $6.4 million to complete?
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Remove dams and lower levees on rivers. Allow the beaches to naturally regulate. Let barrier island sand dunes grow vegetation. Ban any hard structures on shorelines (jetties and seawalls). Several states on the Atlantic coast actually banned hard structures due to the extreme costs of repair after hurricanes. With the water turned back on and hard structures removed natural passes between barrier islands would return. |
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