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Coach Member White Shrimper Boot Club

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Posted: Fri Jul 31, 2009 12:12 pm Post subject: Response & Question for boat driving |
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I have been driving a boat in freshwater for 25yrs minimum. I had to learn through experience and guidance. Driving at the coast is a completely different animal. I have noticed that coastal guys drive COMPLETELY different than freshwater guys. EX - passing an on coming boat. Fresh = cut the rollers and get back in the flat water Salt = ride the rollers out, up n down all 3 of them....why?
freshwater boats may assume that all there knowledge is transferable to saltwater situations,,,not so
Answer these q's:
2 ft waves coming in at an angle (parallel to the boats path). How do you drive? crest or trough or tack
How are these boats capsizing at Pack? The waves did not look bad.. _________________ Happy Hook'n
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ironmanstan Exalted Ruler of Flour Bluff

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Posted: Fri Jul 31, 2009 12:31 pm Post subject: |
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The jetties cause bigger waves right at the opening along with currents they can be really big. I've have gone through the Port Aansas jetties many times when I was braver, in a 16ft flat bottom the waves would be so tall that when i was down in the pocket all i could see was water. But as soon as you clear that , most of the time it would flatten out like a pancake. I think they just made a mistake and it turned out for the worse and they got swamped and flipped. You got to watch that wave behind you.  _________________ I LIKE MINE FRIED. |
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Rebecca of Sunnybrookfarm Full Grown Flour Bluffian

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Posted: Fri Jul 31, 2009 12:40 pm Post subject: Re: Response & Question for boat driving |
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| Coach wrote: | 2 ft waves coming in at an angle (parallel to the boats path). How do you drive? crest or trough or tack
How are these boats capsizing at Pack? The waves did not look bad.. |
two foot waves in my skiff?! I surf those and try to stay on the crest parallel! I really don't enjoy two foot waves in my flat bottom.
the boat most likely capsized due to trying to turn around slowly while in the trough of the breaking/standing waves. they probably picked the worst possible spot to try to manuever. _________________
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landlocked beachbum Full Grown Flour Bluffian
Joined: 09 Apr 2007 Posts: 5811 Location: Little Rock, Arkansas
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Posted: Fri Jul 31, 2009 1:01 pm Post subject: |
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To expand on what IMS said, anytime a current is going into the waves and or the wind, the waves will becomes larger and have a tendency to stack up. This happens at jetty mouths on every outgoing tide if there is much swell or wind. I like IMS have had my 16' aluminum boat out in stuff that would scare the bejesus out of most boaters because I know how to read the water and how to use the throttle or lack thereof and the course of the boat to stay out of trouble. No matter what you know or how good you are, DON'T go out in such conditions or offshore period without at least one [two's better] darn dependable, high flow bilge pump, because in big waves and an out going tide you WILL be taking some water over the bow, it's just part of it. If you can't get rid of it quickly and a couple more come along you're asking for big problems!!!!
When traveling parallel to the waves I watch the water out in front a ways, not right off the bow, and try to stay level and in the toughs. That's impossible to do all the time because waves are erratic, but it is possible to steer towards the lowest parts of the waves ahead. Sometimes you must gun the throttle to climb over a peak and get into the next trough, then back off the throttle some. This keeps from lugging the engine which burns the crap out of gas and shortens engine life. _________________ Dave
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Capt Mike Singleterry Full Grown Flour Bluffian
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Posted: Fri Jul 31, 2009 1:06 pm Post subject: Re: Response & Question for boat driving |
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| Coach wrote: | I have been driving a boat in freshwater for 25yrs minimum. I had to learn through experience and guidance. Driving at the coast is a completely different animal. I have noticed that coastal guys drive COMPLETELY different than freshwater guys. EX - passing an on coming boat. Fresh = cut the rollers and get back in the flat water Salt = ride the rollers out, up n down all 3 of them....why?
freshwater boats may assume that all there knowledge is transferable to saltwater situations,,,not so
Answer these q's:
2 ft waves coming in at an angle (parallel to the boats path). How do you drive? crest or trough or tack
How are these boats capsizing at Pack? The waves did not look bad.. |
Coach.....I don't myself ride the rollers out (as you call it) I cut across, bow in and move to flat water. The best way to approach a wave or wake is bow in under power. I like a whole lot of power.
As for the people that turned their boat over in Packery. That is under investagation by the USCG (because of injuries) But if I was guessing the reason for the accident would have been lack of experience, poor judgement and not paying attention to your duties as a boat operator.
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Coach Member White Shrimper Boot Club

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Posted: Fri Jul 31, 2009 1:34 pm Post subject: |
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See,,cutting the wake doesn't shake up my beer as much _________________ Happy Hook'n
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REEL BEAST Flour Bluffian in training

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Posted: Fri Jul 31, 2009 3:31 pm Post subject: |
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Listen to Capt. Mike. He gave you the best answer. Do it safe and smart until the seas allow you to do what you need to do. Get through and clear of the Jetties in the best path according to the approach of the seas. After clearing the SLOP then adjust your course as needed. It is a short trip through the SLOP at the jetties, a small alteration in your course will not matter in the big scheme. _________________ Capt. Ross L. McElwee
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skunked Member White Shrimper Boot Club

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Posted: Sat Aug 01, 2009 11:25 am Post subject: |
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| Coach wrote: | | See,,cutting the wake doesn't shake up my beer as much |
Depends on what kind of boat your running. I will never cut a wake in my phantom because stuff will break and it physically hurts. |
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