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ovaforty Horse Mullet
Joined: 20 Jun 2009 Posts: 224 Location: Flour Bluff
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Posted: Fri Oct 30, 2009 11:52 am Post subject: An old report uncovered on the Laguna Madre |
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a 50-page report titled "An
> Ecological Survey of the UpperLagunaMadre", published in 1957.
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> The thing was hypnotizing.
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> The UpperLagunaMadre is today considered the state's premier fishery for
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> large speckled trout. The two most recent state-record trout, a
> 13.5-pounder
> caught in the 1970s and the current record, a 13.69-pounder caught in
> 1996,
> were taken in Baffin Bay, a lobe of the UpperLagunaMadre.
>
> But those fish can't match what anglers and biologists saw there in the
> 1950s.
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> More on that in a minute.
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> The report gave a brief history of the UpperLagunaMadre, then considered
> the
> Texas bay least affected by man, isolated as it was by huge ranches on
> the
> mainland and the uninhabited wilderness of Padre Island on the Gulf
> side.
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> It long remained a seldom-visited spot because of the distances
> involved.
> The west side of Baffin Bay was more than 20 miles from the closest
> access
> point. And until after World War II, when nominally reliable outboards
> became available, few anglers were willing to risk traveling that
> distance
> into such an isolated and wild place.
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> The document also indicated the Upper and Lower LagunaMadre had been one
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> continuous bay until a 1919 hurricane shoved a portion of Padre Island
> into
> the bay, effectively dividing it into two parts - Upper and Lower
> Laguna.
>
> I'd never heard that.
>
> The bays remained separated until 1948, when the last link of the
> Intracoastal Waterway was completed. That barge canal, 125 feet wide and
> 12
> feet deep, cut through the sand flats and dunes left by the 1919
> hurricane,
> creating what Laguna anglers have ever since called "The Landcut."
>
> There was more intriguing information.
>
> The UpperLaguna had suffered bouts of "red water" or "bad water" from
> time
> to time prior to the 1950s. So the "brown tide" that has been hassling
> the
> UpperLaguna for most of this decade is nothing new, although most think
> it
> is.
>
> But it was the information about the Upper Laguna's fisheries that was
> most
> spellbinding.
>
> In 1956, the report said, the UpperLaguna produced a full 60 percent of
> all
> the bay fish taken from Texas waters, commercial and recreational.
>
> And often they were both. Recreational anglers were commercial anglers
> in
> disguise.
>
> The report estimated 38 percent of the total commercial catch of redfish
> and
> speckled trout taken from the UpperLaguna in 1953 was made by "sport"
> anglers who sold their catch.
>
> Despite the growing fishing pressure and the drastic changes in
> hydrology
> caused by the Intracoastal and the building of a landfill causeway
> connecting Padre Island with the mainland, the bay remained an
> incredibly
> rich and diverse ecosystem.
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> The nets and trawls and other sampling devices used by the biologists
> showed
> fisheries that disappeared soon after.
>
> They caught sawfish - two huge ones weighing more than 100 pounds.
>
> Sawfish have been gone from all Texas bays for more than 30 years.
>
> There were heaps of tripletail in the Landcut. There were hordes of
> pompano
> everywhere in the bay each autumn.
>
> Neither are there now.
>
> There were tarpon and pipefish and other species now seldom seen in the
> Laguna.
>
> But what jumps out is the speckled trout. The huge speckled trout!
>
> "Trout to 8 and 9 pounds are abundant, and individuals to 12 pounds are
> not
> rare," the researchers reported.
>
> They backed that up with the yields from their gill nets. One net set
> along
> the KenedyCounty shoreline near the Landcut in 1954 produced three
> speckled
> trout weighing 15 pounds or more!
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> There were several other trout taken by researchers that topped anything
> on
> record today.
>
> But the most monstrous - the most absolutely incredible speckled trout -
> was
> one they picked up in the wake of a killer freeze in 1951.
>
> That trout, found floating near Point of Rocks at the mouth of Baffin
> Bay,
> measured an unimaginable 48 inches and weighed an estimated 25 pounds!
>
> That's almost 15 inches longer and more than 11 pounds heavier than the
> current state-record speck |
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ROBDOG Member White Shrimper Boot Club

Joined: 30 Oct 2007 Posts: 790 Location: North Padre Island
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Posted: Fri Oct 30, 2009 12:10 pm Post subject: |
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| Very cool... I can say there are still a few pompano in Baffin though. I was on a guided trip with Aubrey Black a few months ago, and after seeing several pomps jump I asked him if I was seeing what I thought I was seeing. He said yes they were definately pomps. He said it was very rare to catch them in the bay, but on occasion they land in the boat while running and they were good eating... |
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ironmanstan Exalted Ruler of Flour Bluff

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Posted: Fri Oct 30, 2009 12:23 pm Post subject: |
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I see pomps all the time this time of year in the flats. I wonder if the commercial fishermen back then took as much fish as we dudes do now? There be alot of us. I'm not talking shrimp boats, they plow the fields underwater over and over and over. Very interesting story, especially commercial boys dressed up as dudes thats pretty cool. _________________ I LIKE MINE FRIED. |
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JLKing Horse Mullet
Joined: 06 Jan 2008 Posts: 110 Location: North Padre
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Posted: Fri Oct 30, 2009 12:45 pm Post subject: |
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Where can someone find a copy of this report?
It would be a very interesting read. |
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Purefishn Horse Mullet

Joined: 06 Jun 2006 Posts: 219
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Posted: Fri Oct 30, 2009 2:10 pm Post subject: |
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| Cool info, thanks for sharing. Love to see the article. |
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The Trash Heap Full Grown Flour Bluffian

Joined: 06 Mar 2006 Posts: 1932 Location: Corpus Christi
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Posted: Fri Oct 30, 2009 2:15 pm Post subject: |
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Assuming that's Ernest Simmon's An Ecological Survey of the Upper Laguna Madre, it's in Publications of the Institute of Marine Science, Volume 4, No. 2, July 1957. Should be available at UT Marine Lab in Port A, as well as in many other university libraries like TAMUCC & TAMUK. Don't know how to access it online. _________________ The Trash Heap Has Spoken!
NNYYAAAHH!!! |
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GoinCoastal Member White Shrimper Boot Club

Joined: 30 Mar 2006 Posts: 735 Location: Leander/Aransas Pass/ Wilderness Systems Pro Staff
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Posted: Fri Oct 30, 2009 2:32 pm Post subject: |
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| ironmanstan wrote: | | I see pomps all the time this time of year in the flats. I wonder if the commercial fishermen back then took as much fish as we dudes do now? There be alot of us. I'm not talking shrimp boats, they plow the fields underwater over and over and over. Very interesting story, especially commercial boys dressed up as dudes thats pretty cool. |
They certainly took what was available to them. In the early 70s, we didn't target reds because trot lines covered the shallows and the marshes. And I remember sport fishermen selling their catches. They weren't commercial fishermen disguised as sport anglers, they were sport anglers making a few extra bucks selling their catches. The commercial boys ran trot lines usually baited with red electrical tape folded over a hook. And they ran lots of them.
By the end of the 70s, redfish were almost gone. That was when the GCCA (today's CCA) was formed & got involved making redfish a game fish and therefore protected. |
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Big Ed Member White Shrimper Boot Club

Joined: 22 Mar 2006 Posts: 673 Location: San Antonio
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Posted: Fri Oct 30, 2009 3:43 pm Post subject: |
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Goin Coastal has it pretty good. Back in the late 60's early 70's I spent a lot of time at a cabin on the west side of the I.C. and due west of Bird Island Basin (which was inaccessable without 4WD). The trot lines were so thick that it was hard to set up a drift in many areas and there was no way a sane person would run through there at night. We seldom caught a red over about 15". Of course, although we thought of ourselves as very good fishermen, we also wouldn't have dreamed of fishing in water less than 18" deep. If we had, I feel sure we would have caught a few nice reds and some trophy trout as well. None the less, the commercials did a real number on the redfish and to some extent trout populations. I also remember some guys selling their catch. The first time I went Drum fishing in the ship channel near Pt A the guy whose boat we were in sold our catch to someone in Pt A. He only received 10 cents a pound, but of course we had over 1,000 lbs of big uglies. Unbelieveable catch for the 5 of us in that boat in only about half a day. We were actually worried that any wave would swamp the boat since we were riding so low in the water. _________________ Big Ed
San Antonio
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Capt Mike Singleterry Full Grown Flour Bluffian
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Posted: Fri Oct 30, 2009 3:57 pm Post subject: |
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| GoinCoastal wrote: | | ironmanstan wrote: | | I see pomps all the time this time of year in the flats. I wonder if the commercial fishermen back then took as much fish as we dudes do now? There be alot of us. I'm not talking shrimp boats, they plow the fields underwater over and over and over. Very interesting story, especially commercial boys dressed up as dudes thats pretty cool. |
They certainly took what was available to them. In the early 70s, we didn't target reds because trot lines covered the shallows and the marshes. And I remember sport fishermen selling their catches. They weren't commercial fishermen disguised as sport anglers, they were sport anglers making a few extra bucks selling their catches. The commercial boys ran trot lines usually baited with red electrical tape folded over a hook. And they ran lots of them.
By the end of the 70s, redfish were almost gone. That was when the GCCA (today's CCA) was formed & got involved making redfish a game fish and therefore protected. |
Right on there Joe...except for the fact I didn't use alot of colored electrical tape....mostly colored plastic streamers that were used to announce a gasoline station opening....(remember those) great bait for the lines.
After that oleander leaves worked really good too...
Then I joined the GCCA..
Mike |
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Big Ed Member White Shrimper Boot Club

Joined: 22 Mar 2006 Posts: 673 Location: San Antonio
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Posted: Sat Oct 31, 2009 7:54 am Post subject: |
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Mike,
I had forgotten about commercials using leaves as bait. As I remember that was because the Parks & Wildlife said that only "natural" bait could be used on trot lines. The purpose was to eliminate the very large number of fish needlessly lost when some folks would just abandon their trot lines but the plastic lasted so long that many fish were caught and then just left to die. Someone found out that certain types of leaves would last a long time also, although not as long as plastic. They partially bypassed the TPW ruling this way. _________________ Big Ed
San Antonio
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robul Full Grown Flour Bluffian

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Posted: Sat Oct 31, 2009 8:33 am Post subject: |
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| enjoyed the read thanks for sharing.. |
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rotts101 Finger Mullet

Joined: 16 Sep 2009 Posts: 36 Location: Taft ,Texas
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Posted: Sun Nov 01, 2009 10:06 pm Post subject: |
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I used black foam it would float and move around on the bottom work very well. This was many years ago. _________________ love to fish |
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Stoner150 Member White Shrimper Boot Club
Joined: 30 May 2007 Posts: 670 Location: On the Redneck Riviera
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Posted: Mon Nov 02, 2009 12:19 pm Post subject: |
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When I was in high school in Kingsville(40 plus years ago), we too used oleander leaves and a small wooden button about the size of a nickle or a bit smaller. The button had a hole in it that you had to gently force over the barb. The trout and reds and drum in Baffin liked them fine . And I've sold many a fish to Naylor's Fish Market at Riviera beach for .20 lb, but they had to be gutted with an intact air bladder so they looked "full" _________________ Wishin I was fishin!
Jeff |
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