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THE_BLUFF_RAT
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 21, 2009 9:43 am    Post subject: Re: Respect Reply with quote

Yakmon wrote:
I really don't know why any one group thinks they own the jetty and the water around it. I am a long time fisherman, surfer, kayaker, kayak surfer, spear fisherman and beach goer. I have done all of these activities at Packery, Port A and Port Mansfield jetties. Invariably, when I put on the gear associated with any of these activities, I become the enemy of the people engaged in any of the other activities I love. Water is public, jetties are public and respect is required of all people who use the resource. I can tell you this, the fish at the jetties could care less if a surfer, snorkeler or fisherman is trying to get them. I have been spear fishing and been so covered up with trout I couldn't count them all. There is a common misconception among landlubbing fishermen that fish get spooked when people swim by. This couldn't be further from the truth. If you don't agree, put on a mask and hop in the water and swim the jetties once. Snook will come right up to you, trout could care less if you are there, and sharks are a little interested. Fish are constantly chased by predators bigger than us, so they don't freak out that much when a person is in the water. People love to blame their inability to catch fish on third parties, as it makes things easier to explain. That kid swam under my line and I didn't catch a fish....must have been his fault. Or that surfer was out there paddling around, must have been his fault. How many times have you sat on the jetty and caught nothing when there were no snorkelers or surfers to blame? What do you blame then? Oh yes, the lack of tidal movement, the cloud cover, the wind, the lack of rain. Fishing is one of my passions, and I have been skunked more times than I care to admit, but I have come to the realization that some times, the fish aren't going to eat, no matter what I do. If people being around your line upsets you, get away from them and find a spot where you can go to enjoy the outdoors without other people being around you, but don't complain when they are. Fishing, kayaking, surfing and spearfishing are fun activities that allow a person to enjoy the sunshine, pass the time, and learn a little something about the outdoors, so engage in the activities you enjoy and be tolerant of those who enjoy other activities. There is plenty of water for all of us if we just show a little respect and understanding while engaging in the activities we enjoy.

Looks like it will be a good weekend for any of my favorite activities! I will probably be several miles offshore fishing in my kayak so I can get away from the crowds....LOL.

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i agree 100 %....
but there is a line to be crossed. i for one will NEVER move because someone wants to move in on me. it can go both ways...what if i saw some spearfisherman bringin in some good fish, so i go over and cast my line right next them, following them around casting in the middle of their group? you cant tell me that wont upset you.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 21, 2009 9:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

YAKMON, you are the shiz nit!
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 21, 2009 11:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have no problem with the spear fisherman when they pick a spot to fish and stay in it. But not the one I'm already fishing in.

Two years ago at Port A a guy swimming down the Jetty stopped right infront of my handicapped brother and I. We pulled our lines in so he could swim by. Instead he stopped infront of us and speared about a 7 lb flounder. I held my peace and complemented the fish. He told us where he had seen several fish further down the jetty. I said no we would be fishing there and he needed to move along. He said I didn't own the water and he would fish where he pleased. I said we would too and we try not to hit him in the head with our 2 ounce weights. He pointed the spear gun at me and said how would I like the spear shot in my leg and started complaining about the d*** tourists. After that he did move on.

I've seen this same guy out there since and treating other fishermen the same way. I guess all I can say is there is nothing you can do about it when someone is willing to be as rude as necessary to get his way. And as you can see things can esclate out of hand in a hurry.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 21, 2009 4:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have some personal rules I follow when I fish.
They are simple.

When I fish the surf, I never park right next to someone and crowd their personal space. Even if they are fishing in a spot I would like to fish in.

When I fish on a pier...I never set up right next to someone and crowd their personal space...especially when they are catching fish.

When I fish on a jetty....I never set up right next to someone and crowd their personal space...especially when they are catching fish.

If there are too many people already in a location I would like to fish...I go somewhere else. I will never crowd their personal space.

When I fish....I hope that other people will not crowd my personal space...and that seldom happens when I fish the surf, piers and jetties...so I hardly fish those anymore. It is why I bought a kayak and seek less populated areas.

It's too bad that I have had to adapt where I fish because of rude and inconsiderate people that think it's perfectly okay to go and do whatever they like to do without taking into consideration others they may be disturbing.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 21, 2009 8:50 pm    Post subject: LOL Reply with quote

If I cast in the middle of a spearfishing group.....

Classic and a great statement! Most spear fishermen are shooting fish you won't catch with a rod and reel that often. Yes, you might catch a sheepshead every now and then, but it probably isn't your intended target. You are trying to catch real game fish: trout, redfish, sharks, snook, and spanish mackerel, none of which can be taken by spear. Yes, the spear fisherman might take a mangrove snapper from you, but these are not native specimens, and really aren't targeted as much as they are bi-catch when people are trying to catch trout and reds. When I am spearfishing, I really could care less if people cast at me when I am swimming near the rocks as long as they don't hook me. They are entitled to their fishing space and I realize that when I get in the water. I also understand the ignorance and intolerance that most fishermen have because I have spent enough time fishing to observe it. When I am fishing on the rocks, I will never cast at a person swimming near the rocks, because generally, I am not fishing where they are swimming. In the same way, if I was spearfishing, I wouldn't shoot a spear at a person's fishing line because it pisses me off to see it in my field of vision. Tolerance is an important skill to learn these days, and too often, people forget that the world isn't created for them. The people who gripe about crowds and noise are the same people who end up on the evening news holding a gun and saying, "I don't know what happened, I just snapped." We have become a society of blamers and it makes me sick. What happened to enjoying our experiences and sharing those experiences with others? Have we completely lost touch with reality by watching the evening news and generalizing that to our local fishing hole? We are not in Iraq, and the enemy is not lurking under our bait while we are fishing. Some people might need a break from fishing for a while so they begin to realize how relaxing it can be. Stress will kill you, whether you are worrying about your 401K, the war, or the person swimming around your bait. Chill brothers, there is plenty of time for stress at work....

Enjoy the outdoors wherever you can and realize that no matter where you are, there will likely be at least one other soul messing up your good time!

It is great that people have come up with rules they live by to show respect, just realize that there will always be people who don't respect our self imposed rules. We have several options to deal with people who are behaving in a way that seems to be disrespectful. We can address the person directly in a polite manner, we can address the person directly in a rude manner, we can move to another location, we can wait for the person to do something different, or we can post our disgust on a remote website that the person who upset us will never see.

I am not sure which is the correct response, but the face to face dealing generally has more impact than the remote methods. Can't we all just get along?

Always fishing, surfing, spearfishing, kayaking, kayak surfing, beach combing, bird watching, shell hunting, and beach cleaning.

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 21, 2009 9:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Personally, I'm pretty easy going so I guess I kinda see both sides. I really don't get the gripe or the come backs. Common sense says stay away from other fisherman whether your in the water on anywhere else. No one likes their space invaded. All the spear fisherman I have seen are up tight to the rocks. Guess what, that's where alot of people fish. I try not to bother either fisherman. I personally won't try to hit a spearfisherman with a weight, but I'll dang sure say something. BUT, I'll do the same thing to rude fisherman on the jetty or pier or where ever. It all boils down to being a decent human being. If it's going to make someone mad, don't do it.


As for the guy threatening to shoot you in the leg, I think that it's not real smart to threaten someone when you know absolutely nothing about them. You could be threatening a cop or someone that will make sure the speargun goes home shoved up the ole backside. In defense of the courtious spearfisherman, I used to do it my self and I know that for the most part, as soon as you swim through the area, the fish go back to what they were doing before. Just my 2 cents.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 21, 2009 11:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

No one has a right to anything just STFU and fish.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 22, 2009 8:39 am    Post subject: Re: LOL Reply with quote

Yakmon wrote:
If I cast in the middle of a spearfishing group.....

Classic and a great statement! Most spear fishermen are shooting fish you won't catch with a rod and reel that often. Yes, you might catch a sheepshead every now and then, but it probably isn't your intended target. You are trying to catch real game fish: trout, redfish, sharks, snook, and spanish mackerel, none of which can be taken by spear. Yes, the spear fisherman might take a mangrove snapper from you, but these are not native specimens, and really aren't targeted as much as they are bi-catch when people are trying to catch trout and reds. When I am spearfishing, I really could care less if people cast at me when I am swimming near the rocks as long as they don't hook me. They are entitled to their fishing space and I realize that when I get in the water. I also understand the ignorance and intolerance that most fishermen have because I have spent enough time fishing to observe it. When I am fishing on the rocks, I will never cast at a person swimming near the rocks, because generally, I am not fishing where they are swimming. In the same way, if I was spearfishing, I wouldn't shoot a spear at a person's fishing line because it pisses me off to see it in my field of vision. Tolerance is an important skill to learn these days, and too often, people forget that the world isn't created for them. The people who gripe about crowds and noise are the same people who end up on the evening news holding a gun and saying, "I don't know what happened, I just snapped." We have become a society of blamers and it makes me sick. What happened to enjoying our experiences and sharing those experiences with others? Have we completely lost touch with reality by watching the evening news and generalizing that to our local fishing hole? We are not in Iraq, and the enemy is not lurking under our bait while we are fishing. Some people might need a break from fishing for a while so they begin to realize how relaxing it can be. Stress will kill you, whether you are worrying about your 401K, the war, or the person swimming around your bait. Chill brothers, there is plenty of time for stress at work....

Enjoy the outdoors wherever you can and realize that no matter where you are, there will likely be at least one other soul messing up your good time!

It is great that people have come up with rules they live by to show respect, just realize that there will always be people who don't respect our self imposed rules. We have several options to deal with people who are behaving in a way that seems to be disrespectful. We can address the person directly in a polite manner, we can address the person directly in a rude manner, we can move to another location, we can wait for the person to do something different, or we can post our disgust on a remote website that the person who upset us will never see.

I am not sure which is the correct response, but the face to face dealing generally has more impact than the remote methods. Can't we all just get along?

Always fishing, surfing, spearfishing, kayaking, kayak surfing, beach combing, bird watching, shell hunting, and beach cleaning.

Yakmon



wow.....that was real nice.

my first choice is adress it in a polite manner....then the spearfisherman will give attitude like they usually do, then i adress it in a rude manner. noone on this site is a rookie...we have ALL been fishing these waters long enough to see our share of aholes on the rocks, in the water, on the boat, etc. if by some chance, im out fishing somewhere and i do something offensive to someone..im gonna try real hard to show respect and apalogize...not try to justify my rude behavior with some heart warming novel on corpus fishing.com . you talk about showing respect to these people because the water doesnt belong to you, share, ...bla bla bla.........thats the kind of stuff the spearfisherman need to hear and follow, THEY ARE THE ONES SHOWING DISRESPECT TO EVERYONE ELSE, thats what this entire thread is about. and if anyone reading this is a rude spearfisherman that doesnt have respect for fellow fisherman and just dont care about other people and their personel space...i would love to "adress" this in person...but leave your little pop gun at home.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 22, 2009 8:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is my spot. There are many like it but this one is mine. My spot is my best friend. It is my life. I must master it as I must master my life. Without me, my spot is useless. Without my spot I am useless. I must fish my spot true. I must fish straighter than my enemy, who is trying to outfish me. I must outfish him before he outfishes me. I will. Before God I swear this creed: my spot and myself are defenders of my country, we are the masters of our enemy, we are the saviors of my life. So be it, until there is no enemy, but peace. Amen


Here's a prayer for some of you guys who stay true to your spot.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 23, 2009 6:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is why I spend all my money on a boat.. Yes I get pissed when somebody drives on top of me but I just move!! Man no wonder Iv only fished the jetties 3 times since they have been built..
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 31, 2009 7:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

In 20 minutes time yesterday one female and one male snorkeler fouled 3 lines. No .... they don't bother the fishermen. Rolling Eyes They were also breaking the law by being in the channel. One of the fools (there were 3 of them) was acutally near the middle of the channel on a Sunday, with boats a plenty going in and out. At one time, there was 100 yards of clear jetty to snorkel - why come to the end wehere we were fishing?
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 31, 2009 8:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

B-1 83 wrote:
In 20 minutes time yesterday one female and one male snorkeler fouled 3 lines. No .... they don't bother the fishermen. Rolling Eyes They were also breaking the law by being in the channel. One of the fools (there were 3 of them) was acutally near the middle of the channel on a Sunday, with boats a plenty going in and out. At one time, there was 100 yards of clear jetty to snorkel - why come to the end wehere we were fishing?


there were indeed some inconsiderate snorkelers yesterday. then again, there were some very considerate snorkelers as well.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 31, 2009 8:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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there were indeed some inconsiderate snorkelers yesterday. then again, there were some very considerate snorkelers as well.


Yesterday was amateur hour!!!! These two yahoo's, sporting no other gear than a cheap mask, "happened" upon my stringer which I keep in the water on a very large, old window weight. So what do they do??? They toss it up on the rocks, breaking the cast iron weight in half, and then someone walks off with my stringer while I'm still swimming around!!! Evil or Very Mad

Sure, it was only $4 bucks to get a new stringer, but honestly.......what was going through their minds?? This stringer just happens to be secured to a weight IN THE WATER with a pair of spearfishermen close by........ They swam right through the spot we were working!!!

So it's not just the fishermen that get peeved by the lack of common sense that some of these yahoo snorkelers display.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 31, 2009 6:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Central Scrutinizer wrote:
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there were indeed some inconsiderate snorkelers yesterday. then again, there were some very considerate snorkelers as well.


Yesterday was amateur hour!!!! These two yahoo's, sporting no other gear than a cheap mask, "happened" upon my stringer which I keep in the water on a very large, old window weight. So what do they do??? They toss it up on the rocks, breaking the cast iron weight in half, and then someone walks off with my stringer while I'm still swimming around!!! Evil or Very Mad

Sure, it was only $4 bucks to get a new stringer, but honestly.......what was going through their minds?? This stringer just happens to be secured to a weight IN THE WATER with a pair of spearfishermen close by........ They swam right through the spot we were working!!!

So it's not just the fishermen that get peeved by the lack of common sense that some of these yahoo snorkelers display.
Repect for others,common sense,politeness-would cure problem-seems the younger they are,the less they have of any of the above.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 01, 2009 6:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lost Cajun wrote:


He pointed the spear gun at me


Try to get along with everybody. Even the ones that are difficult.

But if they threaten your life, GLOCK THEM!

One twitch of his finger could be the end of your life.

Act accordingly.


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