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larry meinert · Posted: Wed Apr 08, 2009 6:54 pm Post subject: B-24 Liberator "Ol' 927"

Sorry it's not fishing related. It does look good for a trip down the Island next week now that I have joined the ranks of the unemployed.

Here are a few shots of the Commemorative Air force formerly Confederate Air force B-24 Liberator. I can only guess why they had to change the name. Seen here at the Cavanaugh Flight Museum at Addison Airport just north of Dallas and heard rumbling around town, you can get a ride for $450 each if you can find at least 4 other people with $450. This might interest some of you. It totally amazes me every time it fly's over the house. I can only imagine what 100 of them flying over would sound like. The most amazing thing is that this plane must be over 60 years old and is the only B-24 of its type left. BCNU

OsoShortman · Posted: Wed Apr 08, 2009 7:55 pm Post subject:

Thanks for sharing. My dad spent time in B-17s in Italy. He was a photographer, so I love the old planes.
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rabbit · Posted: Wed Apr 08, 2009 8:10 pm Post subject:

My mother worked on planes at Wold Chamberlain Field in Minneapolis Mn. during the war. Cool pictures. Very Happy

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frayed · Posted: Wed Apr 08, 2009 8:27 pm Post subject:

Cool pics.

Sorry to hear you lost your job. Seek solace on the water. . . I'm sure you'll figger things out.
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snakecan2 · Posted: Wed Apr 08, 2009 9:06 pm Post subject:

trying to remember history.
our thoose the planes that they managed to fly off of the old carriers in ww2?
nice pics.. amazing if one would follow the history of series and the specif plane itself.
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larry meinert · Posted: Wed Apr 08, 2009 9:41 pm Post subject:

AM927 (ex 40-2366) s/n 18, delivered 17 May 1941. Assigned to Albuquerque, NM, for crew training at the Eagle Nest Flight Training Center, run by Transcontinental & Western Airlines (TWA).

* 24 July 1941, crashed on landing - brake failure/right landing gear and nose gear collapsed (TWA Pilot: Captain Frank Burcham)
* Salvaged and rebuilt by Consolidated in the fall 1941 to prototype XC-87 configuration - used by Consolidated to carry necessary parts between factories, as well as a corporate transport.
* 14 February 1945, AM927 had the “short” B-24A nose section removed and had a nose section from an RY-3 installed. At this time, the aircraft also had the PBY-type powerplants (firewall forward) installed, to make the items in the engine compartment interchangeable with aircraft still being produced. (Registered as NL24927, 1 April 1947).
* 10 November 1948, sold by Consolidated to the Continental Can Company. The aircraft was outfitted with sleeping berths and reclining chairs and was used to transport company executives from its home base in Morristown, NJ (Registered N1503).
* 14 April 1959, sold to Pemex, a Mexican petroleum company. They used the aircraft not only as an executive transport, but to haul drums of oil from place to place. (Registered as XC-CAY, November 1959).
* May 1968, sold to the Confederate Air Force, initially registered N12905, currently N24927

ironmanstan · Posted: Thu Apr 09, 2009 3:57 am Post subject:

My old man was a top turret gunner on a liberator j model that is a d model with the top and belly turrets removed. The whole crew has passed on to greener pastures now. The stories were amazing, they flew their 26 missions and then a few more for kicks. He said the liberator could be all shot up and still fly, its a bad as_ plane. Better know as " The FLYING BOXCAR".

The planes that flew off the carrier were b-25s led by Doolittle you can check out Doolittle's raid ww2. Those were some brave mothers. The stuff America was built on.
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B-1 83 · Posted: Thu Apr 09, 2009 1:57 pm Post subject:

Lat22 · Posted: Thu Apr 09, 2009 2:07 pm Post subject:

Never missed an airshow when they were in Harlingen. Midland is a little tougher for me to get to. There is no mistaking the sound when one or more of those big radial engines flies over.

Uncle D · Posted: Thu Apr 09, 2009 3:53 pm Post subject:

Not sure if its that plane but one comes to CC every year for the weekend. Always a good turn-out.

landlocked beachbum · Posted: Thu Apr 09, 2009 4:12 pm Post subject:

Yes, they were tough and did yeoman's duty, but I have seen shows about them and the pilots who flew them weren't all that enamored. Some of them were interviewed and they said that after a mission they were PHYSICALLY exhausted because the plane was so freeking hard to control in flight, as in you aren't only battling the Germans while over the target but also the darn plane from the time it left the runway until the reverse happened! Shocked

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larry meinert · Posted: Fri Apr 10, 2009 11:05 am Post subject:

B-1 83 pointed out that Collins has a B-24 J. Just so happens,they are in Dallas at Love field. This is there B-24 J and a b-17.

kweber · Posted: Fri Apr 10, 2009 11:19 am Post subject:

there was a b-17 flying around SA a few months ago and the SA paper had an article referring to a b-17 flying thru Beaumont/Houston area a week or two ago. the CAF is currently restoring a c-47 at the Hondo airfield. nice to see that part of history being maintained.
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ironmanstan · Posted: Sat Apr 11, 2009 7:01 am Post subject:

That is an awesome J model , I can almost see my oldman in the top turret at 19 years old. The guns were all electric on this model. He shot 1 plane down through its belly. He said it was so close he could see the holes that his twin 50s were leaving behind as he sprayed the belly of the enemy aircraft before it veered off and exploded. It was either him or me, thats all he had to say about that. Shocked

I might as tell one, on one bombing run a flak bomb completely blew off his turret an guns it was 80 below outside crusing along at 350mph yet he felt the heat from the blast before passing out then two others pulled him down into the plane into safety. I heard these stories and more at their reunions. I wonder why they didn't suffer from post tramatic syndrome, if they did no one knew it.
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landlocked beachbum · Posted: Sat Apr 11, 2009 7:59 am Post subject:

IMS, they did and do, but back them it was socially frowned upon for a "Man" to show any "weakness". The things that probably kept most of the bomber crews from loosing it was that IF they made it back, the government made sure that they had all the cigarettes they could smoke, all the beer they could drink, hot showers, meals and warm beds and plenty of friendly British gals for company.

Just imagine the poor devils that were sitting in frozen foxholes around and in Bastogne. They had NO brief respite from the insanity and misery, AND they were ordered not to retreat. There is one episode in "Band of Brothers" where the 101rst was ordered into a many times previously shelled front line and told to stay there. Cripes, can you imagine sitting in a frozen hole for days on end with almost no true winter gear, not being able to light a fire for warmth or to heat up the rations and just waiting for the next round of shelling to start? The Germans already had them dialed in: THAT truly was and is insanity!!!

The allied generals back then STILL operated as much on Napoleonic thinking as anything else: The troops were expendable.

My hat goes off to your dad....................................
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