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chapcat54 Horse Mullet
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Posted: Wed Mar 02, 2016 7:40 pm Post subject: Please Advise. I Am Looking To Upgrade My Surf Fishing Gear |
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I have surf fished off and on for many years in the area. The last couple years I have focused mainly on light tackle lure chucking for tide running trout using spoons, twitch baits, topwaters and soft plastics. When I have fished with natural baits, it has usually been with friends angling for whiting. I am looking to fish more with sand spiked rigs using live mullet, pinfish, etc, or fresh cut bait for a wider variety of species now that Im semi-retired. In the past I used, and still own, 80's vintage Abu Garcia 5500 and 6500 LW reels on MH 7 ft or 7.5 ft rods when I do use natural baits. I also have an Okuma Convector LW reel that is actually designed more for trolling, paired with an 11 ft Ugly Stik. I have not been real pleased with it, as it is really larger than what I feel is necessary for targeting reds, smacks, smaller sharks, etc. It does not cast very well either, getting 75 or 80 yards on a good cast.
I would really like to get your opinions on a couple of things relating to upgrading my gear. I have come down with paralysis by analysis on whether to choose spinning or conventional reels, and what length rod to use, given I'm 61 and not in great shape anymore. I am currently trying to choose between Penn Squall 15 MAG star drag, Penn Fathom star drag, Daiwa Seagate, Sealine or Saltist BG, Abu Garcia Blue Yonder, or Akios S series reels on the converntional side, with a Penn Batallion or Ocean Master Rod. I have been pretty proficient casting conventionals, although I have always used LW reels in the past. I like that conventionals can normally cast farther than spinning, all else being equal. However, with the prevailing east wind, I wonder if spinning gear be better for me? I hate wind knots more than the occasional backlash however. My budget for one rod and reel is about 300 dollars. Thanks.  |
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AnmRanch Flour Bluffian in training
Joined: 26 Jul 2013 Posts: 353
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| I have several Sealines on Okuma 12' surf rods. I'm very pleased with this set up. I think the rod is around $100 and the reel is about $130-140. I have FINS Wind tamer line and am very pleased with this set-up. |
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kweber Full Grown Flour Bluffian

Joined: 08 Mar 2006 Posts: 2396 Location: Hondo
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breakawayusa... _________________ the creepy uncle that scares the kids.... |
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chapcat54 Horse Mullet
Joined: 15 Jun 2015 Posts: 185
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Posted: Wed Mar 02, 2016 10:55 pm Post subject: |
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| kweber wrote: | | breakawayusa... |
Great gear, but over my budget. |
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ziacatcher Full Grown Flour Bluffian
Joined: 22 Dec 2008 Posts: 6557 Location: The Bluff
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Posted: Thu Mar 03, 2016 8:01 am Post subject: |
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| I'm a spinning reel guy. I use Cabela salt striker 80 reels. prices from 60 to $80. I lined it out with 65 pound test Windtamer line On 12 foot Rod. I have a saltstriker Rod, a penn prevail, and an allstar rod. All comes down to a matter of taste and feel. I've caught everything from whiting to 45" reds to 60lb. Cobia to 5' sharks on them. |
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chapcat54 Horse Mullet
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Posted: Thu Mar 03, 2016 9:17 am Post subject: |
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| ziacatcher wrote: | | I'm a spinning reel guy. I use Cabela salt striker 80 reels. prices from 60 to $80. I lined it out with 65 pound test Windtamer line On 12 foot Rod. I have a saltstriker Rod, a penn prevail, and an allstar rod. All comes down to a matter of taste and feel. I've caught everything from whiting to 45" reds to 60lb. Cobia to 5' sharks on them. |
Thanks, ziacatcher. I was hoping to get your advice as you are one I know that does a lot of surf fishing of the same type as I am looking to do. How far are you able to cast this setup into the wind? Any wind knot issues? I am looking for maximum casting distance. At my age, I don't want to get beat up by waves in deeper water any more than I have to.
I am looking locally at the Prevail and the Battalion rods. For our surf conditions and currents, what is the maximum amount of lead weight that you find you need? I have never used more than 5 oz sinkers, but it would be good to know if I need more so I can base the rod power rating on that. |
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Rebecca of Sunnybrookfarm Full Grown Flour Bluffian

Joined: 01 May 2008 Posts: 3974
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Posted: Thu Mar 03, 2016 10:04 am Post subject: |
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if you shag, there was 3 okuma longitude 13' spinners at academy in corpus yesterday.....$60...
nothing against no one, just saying....
becky _________________
| Central Scrutinizer wrote: | | Thanks for the Memories, Ranger Rick. |
| ziacatcher wrote: | | However I bet if you were fishing naked Ranger Rick would have a problem with that |
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anzuelo Pony Mullet

Joined: 06 Mar 2006 Posts: 67 Location: Fulton, TX
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Posted: Thu Mar 03, 2016 12:22 pm Post subject: |
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Penn Battle II 5000 reel
Tica 9' 2-6 oz. rod
The Penn Battle II holds 300 yards of 30# braid. The Tica rod will handle 3 to 4 oz. of sinker plus bait.
I find that a 9' to 10'6" rod is much easier to handle. The length from butt to reel seat on many of the 12' rods is cumbersome for me.
Also, if the waves/current require more than 4 oz. of weight to hold bottom, the surf will be too rough for me to wade out and cast.
My .01 (my advice is half price today) |
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HungerBuster Flour Bluffian in training
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Posted: Thu Mar 03, 2016 3:03 pm Post subject: |
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I normally don't post on threads like this (I read them all the time) because it really is a matter of personal taste. However, even though pricey, the Breakaway surf rods are BY FAR worth the cash. The large butts REALLY make a difference in leverage for long casts. Mind you, I am not a guy who can get it much farther than the second bar from the edge of the surf (I've watched most of Nick's videos and even had him "coach" me on PINS a few times--just don't have the form). Just saying, those rods rock for casting. I use the cabbalas saltwater spinners (can't beat em for the money) with 80lbs braid and a 100lbs composite shock leader. _________________ Fish ON! |
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ziacatcher Full Grown Flour Bluffian
Joined: 22 Dec 2008 Posts: 6557 Location: The Bluff
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Posted: Thu Mar 03, 2016 4:35 pm Post subject: |
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| I normally can stand in knee deep water and easily get my baits into 2nd gut. I normally use 3 or 4 ounce spider weights. Never had issues with wind knots. |
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chapcat54 Horse Mullet
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Posted: Thu Mar 03, 2016 4:52 pm Post subject: |
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| anzuelo wrote: | Penn Battle II 5000 reel
Tica 9' 2-6 oz. rod
The Penn Battle II holds 300 yards of 30# braid. The Tica rod will handle 3 to 4 oz. of sinker plus bait.
I find that a 9' to 10'6" rod is much easier to handle. The length from butt to reel seat on many of the 12' rods is cumbersome for me.
Also, if the waves/current require more than 4 oz. of weight to hold bottom, the surf will be too rough for me to wade out and cast.
My .01 (my advice is half price today) |
Thanks. I actually have a Battle II 4000 that I have used in the surf for chucking large lures for trout, but wind knots have given me fits with both braid and mono. That probably would not really be an issue casting sinkers and bait though. If I decide to go the spinning route, I like the fact that reels like the Cabelas Salt Striker have a wide spool that should aid in longer casts than what I have been able to achieve with the Battle II. I would certainly consider a Tica if I go the spinning route. Roys have them, but they are out of stock in conventional casting rods. |
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david weber Bear Mullet
Joined: 29 Nov 2012 Posts: 118
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Posted: Thu Mar 03, 2016 4:53 pm Post subject: |
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| I use 11 and 13 foot rods with penn spinning reels, all rigged a bit different but for sharks, 100 lb braid with 60 or 80 lb Suffice Tritanium mono, then steel leader. If you search the internet or Amazon, you can find 10-13 foot rods that will do the trick. I am 64 and usually throw past the second bar on PINS, depending on wind and weight. I use the aero dynamic spider hooks. The more I practice throwing the rod the better/further I get it. It's kinda like doing a dance. |
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chapcat54 Horse Mullet
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Posted: Thu Mar 03, 2016 5:02 pm Post subject: |
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| HungerBuster wrote: | | I normally don't post on threads like this (I read them all the time) because it really is a matter of personal taste. However, even though pricey, the Breakaway surf rods are BY FAR worth the cash. The large butts REALLY make a difference in leverage for long casts. Mind you, I am not a guy who can get it much farther than the second bar from the edge of the surf (I've watched most of Nick's videos and even had him "coach" me on PINS a few times--just don't have the form). Just saying, those rods rock for casting. I use the cabbalas saltwater spinners (can't beat em for the money) with 80lbs braid and a 100lbs composite shock leader. |
Thanks, HungerBuster. I am seeing Nick tomorrow to look at an Akios 656CTM casting reel. I have heard great things about those reels. I just don't want to spend over 200 bucks on just a rod, as much as I would love to have one of those Breakaways. |
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boricua Horse Mullet
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Posted: Fri Mar 04, 2016 4:33 am Post subject: |
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A tsunami 12' XH rod with a Penn 10500 and the breakaway cannon.
Easy to cast and not get your toes wet. |
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kweber Full Grown Flour Bluffian

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e-bay! _________________ the creepy uncle that scares the kids....
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