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PostPosted: Mon Feb 17, 2014 7:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bay Grinder wrote:
...And when we reach the threshold and have truly overfished, did we all get our fair share?


Ask THE red snapper fisherman, and you shall have your answer.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 18, 2014 6:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Central Scrutinizer wrote:
Bay Grinder wrote:
...And when we reach the threshold and have truly overfished, did we all get our fair share?


Ask THE red snapper fisherman, and you shall have your answer.


Yep

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 18, 2014 8:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't think cutting the limit to 5 trout will hurt tourism to CC at all. In fact with Schlitterbahn coming I think tourism and fishing pressure is about to get heavier. I think this is a great move to protect the trout fishery. The guys down in Port Mansfield say there are more people fishing down there now than before limit change.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 18, 2014 8:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Shalor wrote:
I don't think cutting the limit to 5 trout will hurt tourism to CC at all. In fact with Schlitterbahn coming I think tourism and fishing pressure is about to get heavier. I think this is a great move to protect the trout fishery. The guys down in Port Mansfield say there are more people fishing down there now than before limit change.


yeah but now those guides in PM are complaining about all those new people fishing with croakers keeping "their" big fish.


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PostPosted: Tue Feb 18, 2014 8:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

only as long as there's sound unbiased data proving a decline, otherwise leave it alone...
the best thing for coastal fisheries would be a good wet spell.
every creek and river at flood stage flushing the bay systems.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 18, 2014 8:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

kweber wrote:
only as long as there's sound unbiased data proving a decline, otherwise leave it alone...
the best thing for coastal fisheries would be a good wet spell.
every creek and river at flood stage flushing the bay systems.


Amen.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 18, 2014 9:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

kweber wrote:
only as long as there's sound unbiased data proving a decline, otherwise leave it alone...


This looks to be some pretty unbiased, fishery-independent, management data

speckled.trout wrote:
Here is the slide shown to the commission on November 6th 2013

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So, my reading of the information points to no decline, and an end result of "leave it alone".
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 18, 2014 9:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Let's make it a point to assure the tourist bureau in Aransas Pass, Rockport, Seadrift Matagorda and other cities that the Schlitterbahn that is coming to the Corpus Christi is going to increase their tourism and take care of the loss of revenue a reduction in trout limits could make as a lack of people coming to the coastal cities to fish. Or maybe how it is not going to help them.

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 18, 2014 9:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

deputydawg wrote:
I don't have anything worthy to add to the discussion but I definately am reading this. I appreciate the info and others outlooks on it.


I am with ya on this one DD, I have never caught a limit of trout. So far my stringer only sees two trout every time I go out, and I have never caught a keeper flounder. I think I need a smaller stringer!! Very Happy Good to keep up with the info and staying informed, I am also one who appreciates all the info these experienced anglers have to share with us.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 18, 2014 5:08 pm    Post subject: Fillets Reply with quote

It is my humble opinion that if you are only in the fishing trip for the fillets, you are far better off at the local grocery store. I personally fish for the thrill, enjoyment, and the passing of tradition from father to son. I understand that not all people see it from my angle, but fillets are a lot cheaper to come by at the fish market than the cost of a fishing trip. It is with this attitude that I can enjoy every trip, whether we fill the box or not. I'll buy my meat at the store, and save my fishing trip money for the memories that can never be erased or fried in the grease. It seems the populations are in good standing, but I don't mind a proactive approach to keep them that way for my grandkids. Just my .02
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 18, 2014 6:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mr. bluezbrother, I really don't think you need to worry about your grandchildren having trout to catch when that time comes. I think that the TP&W will never let it get to that point. I've been fishing the Laguna since the '50s which was during the commercial fishing days, three freezes over the years which killed millions of trout redfish and drum, brown tides, red tide (in the very upper Laguna) and droughts and we still have trout today. Being proactive is one thing, but there is still a balance that can be kept and I'll bet you even if the trout limits isn't lowered your grandchildren will have trout.

You really need to worry more about freezes on the Texas coast....a lot more devastation. I've seen it up close.


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PostPosted: Tue Feb 18, 2014 6:32 pm    Post subject: Re: Fillets Reply with quote

bluezbrother wrote:
It is my humble opinion that if you are only in the fishing trip for the fillets, you are far better off at the local grocery store. I personally fish for the thrill, enjoyment, and the passing of tradition from father to son. I understand that not all people see it from my angle, but fillets are a lot cheaper to come by at the fish market than the cost of a fishing trip. It is with this attitude that I can enjoy every trip, whether we fill the box or not. I'll buy my meat at the store, and save my fishing trip money for the memories that can never be erased or fried in the grease. It seems the populations are in good standing, but I don't mind a proactive approach to keep them that way for my grandkids. Just my .02


Well said, sir....
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 18, 2014 7:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

speckled.trout wrote:
Mr. bluezbrother, I really don't think you need to worry about your grandchildren having trout to catch when that time comes. I think that the TP&W will never let it get to that point. I've been fishing the Laguna since the '50s which was during the commercial fishing days, three freezes over the years which killed millions of trout redfish and drum, brown tides, red tide (in the very upper Laguna) and droughts and we still have trout today. Being proactive is one thing, but there is still a balance that can be kept and I'll bet you even if the trout limits isn't lowered your grandchildren will have trout.

You really need to worry more about freezes on the Texas coast....a lot more devastation. I've seen it up close.


Have a good one
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Well said, sir.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 18, 2014 11:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bay Grinder wrote:
I support the change so we can be proactive for increase of fishing pressure. In general the state is increasing in population as well as numbers of new fisherman. Maybe we can wait on it longer, but eventually we will revisit this issue again. And when we reach the threshold and have truly overfished, did we all get our fair share?

I really get tired of trying to educate those who just think they know what is happening to our fishery because someone said so. Let's start with TPWD has repeatedly said that fishing pressure rose on the 90s, tapered off in the 2000s and has slightly decreased in recent years. these are the people who gather the data via creel studies and license sales. TPWD has clearly stated we ARE NOT overfishing trout and levels of off take are SUSTAINABLE. This move is all about the belief that we can catch bigger fish more often. It isn't working very well in the LLM but hey they have computers that say it will influence what mother nature controls.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 19, 2014 11:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The most interesting observation is that "5 is enough" is proposed primarily by people who live locally in the Corpus area and have no "possession" limit because it doesn't apply to their home freezer VS people who live out of town who have the Possession limit apply directly to them. If they change the limit the possession limit should apply tow ALL fishermen. If you haven't eaten yesterdays 5 trout, you shouldn't be able to keep any today - no storing them up in the freezer for a big fish fry. I can't do it - neither should you. If you want a fish fry, then go to HEB and buy the fish filets just like you propose I do.
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