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gulftrout Full Grown Flour Bluffian

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Posted: Wed Jun 19, 2013 6:22 pm Post subject: How Old Is A 27 1/4 Inch Male Speckled Trout? |
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I caught four specks today wade fishing. Two were males, with the largest one being one of them. I tried looking up information about the age to size ratio for male trout and the only thing I have found is that virtually all 25" and larger speckled trout are females. This one weighed 6 1/4 lbs. and I guess that makes my trout older than dirt! I knew something was up when the large one started "Croaking!" 
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Chef Lefty Full Grown Flour Bluffian

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Posted: Wed Jun 19, 2013 6:26 pm Post subject: |
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Interesting question. I always wondered too. Can't just count their gill rings?  _________________
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gulftrout Full Grown Flour Bluffian

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Posted: Wed Jun 19, 2013 6:40 pm Post subject: |
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Today I was wading water a lot clearer than yesterday and caught these on three different colors. Two on "Morning Glory/Lime Tail", one on Plum/Chartreuse Tail and one on June Bug/Blue Belly. The first two colors were DIE DAPPER Salt Water Assassin Lures and the June Bug color is a DIE DAPPER Bass Assassin "Bang Lure" enhanced with Liquid Salt. I picked all these up at Roy's a couple days ago. I prefer to use the largest shank hook-jighead available and I was using them in 1/4 oz. size. The biggest speck of the day was the 2nd fish caught and I caught it on Morning Glory. I own a "Big Thanks" to Cliff Webb for showing me how to rig and getting me started, fishing these lures!  |
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gulftrout Full Grown Flour Bluffian

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Posted: Wed Jun 19, 2013 6:41 pm Post subject: |
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| Chef Lefty wrote: | Interesting question. I always wondered too. Can't just count their gill rings?  | I have heard you can check something inside their head for the age, but not sure.  |
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TXHill Horse Mullet
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Posted: Wed Jun 19, 2013 6:52 pm Post subject: |
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| Asked that question on a tour of the Harte Inst. I was told redfish and trout grow and average of 1" per month, both males and females. Jeff Wolda |
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ltorna1 Full Grown Flour Bluffian
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Posted: Wed Jun 19, 2013 7:13 pm Post subject: |
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Best way to age them is with the ear-stones (otoliths) inside the head. They are floating bones that have rings like a tree trunk. That is a big azz trout mr. gulftrout _________________ ...if my boss ever finds this forum I'll be unemployed... |
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Chef Lefty Full Grown Flour Bluffian

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Posted: Wed Jun 19, 2013 7:40 pm Post subject: |
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| ltorna1 wrote: | | Best way to age them is with the ear-stones (otoliths) inside the head. They are floating bones that have rings like a tree trunk. That is a big azz trout mr. gulftrout |
Luke, very interesting. Any possibility to post an example pic? _________________
| Central Scrutinizer wrote: | | I call shenanigans on that one. |
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wallhanger Member White Shrimper Boot Club

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Posted: Wed Jun 19, 2013 8:50 pm Post subject: |
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| Very descriptive. All reports should be that good. Thanks and great fish. |
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ltorna1 Full Grown Flour Bluffian
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Posted: Wed Jun 19, 2013 11:12 pm Post subject: |
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| Chef Lefty wrote: | | ltorna1 wrote: | | Best way to age them is with the ear-stones (otoliths) inside the head. They are floating bones that have rings like a tree trunk. That is a big azz trout mr. gulftrout |
Luke, very interesting. Any possibility to post an example pic? |
See the link below.
This is a picture of what the bone looks like after your remove it from the skull. If you have the right tools (fine diamond saw, dissecting microscope) you can take a cross section of the bone and it looks something like this. This picture was apparently a large trout that was about 9 years old (count the annual rings). The bones themselves will be in the skull behind the eye and buried underneath a thin layer of bone in the skull. Once you break open the bone casing around them you will find that the otolith bones (called "ear stones") float rather loosely in their little capsule in the skull. Without a saw or microscope, you can sometimes hold them up to a bright light and see the rings with your naked eye. It will give you a rough estimate (+/- a few years) on the age of your trout. I am by NO means an expert on this subject, but some of my coworkers are, and they are very adept at aging trout, red snapper, red fish, and others.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/myfwc/5425911714/in/set-72157625872804969 _________________ ...if my boss ever finds this forum I'll be unemployed... |
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ltorna1 Full Grown Flour Bluffian
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Posted: Wed Jun 19, 2013 11:32 pm Post subject: |
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OK, so apparently the florida fish and wildlife people aged the trout in the linked picture at 12 years. I guess it depends on which ring you start with. told ya I wasn't an expert  _________________ ...if my boss ever finds this forum I'll be unemployed... |
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ironmanstan Exalted Ruler of Flour Bluff

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Posted: Thu Jun 20, 2013 2:50 am Post subject: |
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I have some some large ear stones in my shop. Becky of sunnybrooke farms showed me how to get them out. I'm going to my the bride a pair of earings out of one pair. It's pretty amazing that something like that actually grows inside their heads. _________________ I LIKE MINE FRIED. |
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gulftrout Full Grown Flour Bluffian

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Posted: Thu Jun 20, 2013 4:32 am Post subject: |
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Here are the three colors that caught fish yesterday. Cliff explained that you need the long shank lures with these soft plastics. If you use the smaller, short shank hooks(which I normally prefer) the bait may want to spin like a propeller. These baits are pretty soft(that's what gives them the great action) and you probably need the screw type jig head.  |
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shallowsport Full Grown Flour Bluffian

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Posted: Thu Jun 20, 2013 5:01 am Post subject: |
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Another great post, GT. Sure that your Dad is proud.
Aging, ear stones is right. Slice them, and count the rings, just like a tree. |
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Fishwish

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Posted: Thu Jun 20, 2013 7:08 am Post subject: |
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| I have a large pdf file that is a study of speckled trout issued by the Gulf States Marine Fisheries Commission that has a section on age of trout. They aged several male and female trout from several different bay systems. The largest male in the study was from Galveston Bay and just shy of 25 inches. They aged the fish at 12 years, In the Galveston system we have been catching some of the largest males we have seen in years. Last month, at the cleaning table, I saw a 25" male that went just a little over 6 lbs. Not sure what's up with all the large males. It has been interesting to catch a large 24" trout that is grunting. No doubt, a 27" male is OLD! |
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Chef Lefty Full Grown Flour Bluffian

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Posted: Thu Jun 20, 2013 1:21 pm Post subject: |
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| ltorna1 wrote: |
See the link below.
This is a picture of what the bone looks like after your remove it from the skull. If you have the right tools (fine diamond saw, dissecting microscope) you can take a cross section of the bone and it looks something like this. This picture was apparently a large trout that was about 9 years old (count the annual rings). The bones themselves will be in the skull behind the eye and buried underneath a thin layer of bone in the skull. Once you break open the bone casing around them you will find that the otolith bones (called "ear stones") float rather loosely in their little capsule in the skull. Without a saw or microscope, you can sometimes hold them up to a bright light and see the rings with your naked eye. It will give you a rough estimate (+/- a few years) on the age of your trout. I am by NO means an expert on this subject, but some of my coworkers are, and they are very adept at aging trout, red snapper, red fish, and others.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/myfwc/5425911714/in/set-72157625872804969 |
Thank you sir. Very interesting indeed. _________________
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