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SaltyCuda
Member White Shrimper Boot Club
Joined: 03 Nov 2009
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Location: Corpus
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 Posted: Fri Jul 06, 2012 10:23 am Post subject: |
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Right about now, I am trying to figure out the window for extreme-ism.
And who on this board is outside of it...
Lighten up boyz, let's go fishin... |
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BishopRyan
Pony Mullet
Joined: 11 Jul 2011
Posts: 78
Location: Corpus Christi
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| Posted: Fri Jul 06, 2012 10:53 am Post subject: |
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| Johninaustin wrote: | | BishopRyan wrote: | | Stinger-A wrote: | That's a huge jump you just made between getting pulled over, and marshal law!! The views you share seem to be far fetched for me. Our founding fathers were great thinkers for thier time, that's why we have amendments these days, times change. I already pay half my paycheck to them, in the form of taxes. And if it keeps me safe and supplies bullets for our soldiers and or police, I'm glad too. Being I hate political debate, ill bow out and bid you tight lines fellow fisherman. Take care.
Stinger-A[/b] |
I mean no ill will friendo. It was a jump but our freedoms and right to privacies have been diminished considerably in the last decade. Its not as big of a jump as you might think.
There's just a difference between being safe and over governing as a result of fear mongering.
There are approx. 7 violent crimes per 1k residents in CC. I'm all for being safe but I shouldn't have to give up a large percentage of my freedoms because they need help policing less than a 1% violent crime rate. |
If you were being honest, you would mention that that number is incredibly high. So high in fact Corpus falls at #6 out of 100 cities in terms of safety.
The OVERALL crime rate is 57.48. That's just nuts for a town with only 300K residents. Heck, you are getting close to numbers found in the suburbs of Detroit. Some of suburbs in fact, have rates LOWER than Corpus.
Let's look at that violent crime rate for a moment. The Texas AVERAGE is 4.50. Austin, with a population almost 4 times that of Corpus, is only 4.83. How does that "Corpus is only 7" look to you now? .
Not comfortable with statistics?
Take a gander in the archives and count the "somebody stole my (Fill in the blank) etc posts over the past year then tell me crime is not a problem. |
I was being honest. The statistic I was referring to was strictly violent crimes. Based on the idea that one would be most willing to give up privacy laws out of violent criminal necessity not all criminal acts. There was nothing dishonest or misleading about my post.
I don't think you've taken the time to actual read what I've written because it seems you're quick to assume that I've taken some kind of anti law stance and that couldn't be further from the truth.
I'm more than aware of the high crime rate in Corpus Christi. I even mentioned it earlier. I've also said repeatedly that I was for the most part an advocate for the random stops. That doesn't mean that I'm willing to give carte blanche because of it.
The points I've made are designed to provide reasoning and perspective from those who wish to protect their individual rights to privacy and not designed to attack the status quo or beyond of those who put it all on the line everyday to protect us.
Its seems as though some are quick to run out insults the moment somebody challenges anything of authority. Just to be perfectly clear I'm not some right wing extremist who wants to load up on semi-automatic firearms while berating every police officer I encounter. If anything I lean left of center. I don't even own a gun.
I think its important to reconcile both sides of the debate which is all I've tried to do here. |
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BishopRyan
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Joined: 11 Jul 2011
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Location: Corpus Christi
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| Posted: Fri Jul 06, 2012 10:55 am Post subject: |
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| mike3887 wrote: | I don't really see anyone here bashing law enforcement.
Bishop, I can understand your argument and there is indeed a fine line between too much, and just enough governing. This is why case law is made constantly. It sounds like you may have run into officers in the past that wore pants that were too big for themselves. I assure you, not all are that way but I have dealt with them as well. It doesn't look like you and I will agree on blood searches for suspected drunk drivers, however I will say that I firmly believe many people who think of driving drunk are at least thinking twice about it and maybe finding a sober way around town during 'no refusal' periods. I don't think anyone would argue that less drunks equals less deaths, especially in Austin where fatalities are on pace for an alarming historical record this year. I don't know of case law on blood warrants yet but it will be interesting when its made. There are arguments to both sides.
As far as the random stops, they are allowed by law to check for drivers license violations. It is imperative that officers not abuse powers provided to them by the state and federal government during said stops. I also believe in everyone having the right to refuse searches. I have been refused searches on cars that I knew had dope inside. It's my job to find the probable cause to search that car and if I don't have it then my view on it is I'll get you next time. The game has to be played fairly and just like with any game; you win some, you lose some.
There is no telltale sign of who is and who is not a criminal. One of my good friends, and ex-partner on the street, who was an officer in Austin was murdered just a few months ago on a shoplifting call by a kid who had a couple of misdemeanors on his record. Point is, you don't know who you're dealing with until you're dealing with them. This goes for the random stops as well. Sometimes it's a banger, sometimes a dealer, sometimes a granny, and usually an average Joe. I think the important thing is to keep patience while a job is being done. I don't get the impression that you're a cop hater or disrespectful by any means judging by your posts; you said yourself that you're generally in favor of the stops. You just want to be able to exercise your rights without scrutiny and I can definitely appreciate that. This is America dammit, more power to you.
Mike |
I very much appreciate this post. |
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SaltyCuda
Member White Shrimper Boot Club
Joined: 03 Nov 2009
Posts: 892
Location: Corpus
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| Posted: Fri Jul 06, 2012 10:58 am Post subject: |
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OK!
I've identified the window.
Tyler, please lock this thread.
Anybody smell fish??? |
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obsessed
Full Grown Flour Bluffian
Joined: 08 Mar 2006
Posts: 1200
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| Posted: Fri Jul 06, 2012 11:48 am Post subject: |
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| SaltyCuda wrote: | OK!
I've identified the window.
Tyler, please lock this thread.
Anybody smell fish??? |
i'm getting on the road in 1 hour! save some for me please!!!!!!!!!! 
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nick072010
Finger Mullet
Joined: 24 Jul 2012
Posts: 18
Location: Portland Texas
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| Posted: Sat Jul 28, 2012 5:31 pm Post subject: |
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Well there are two views to everything I guess. Being a cop myself I am pretty much always on the defense, even inside my own home with the doors locked, it kinda sucks to think the way I do sometimes but it is necessary in my line of work.
I can honestly say that if the guy was already walking away from me I would not have shot him, no doubt I would already be unholstered and have a bead on him but as long as he didn't run around I would let him walk. Everyone boats about shooting someone but wait until you take someones like on day and see how it feels, its just not worth it. Obviously I don't need a concealed carry license but if your not a peace officer GO GET YOURS and carry, you never know when your going to need it.
P.S. thank you to everyone who has presented me with their carry permit when they had me their license. I am going to find out when I run you license anyway and it makes me a lot more at ease when you already voluntered that info.
Happy Fishing |
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nick072010
Finger Mullet
Joined: 24 Jul 2012
Posts: 18
Location: Portland Texas
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| Posted: Sat Jul 28, 2012 5:35 pm Post subject: |
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[quote="mike3887"]As an officer, I firmly believe that everyone should take advantage of their right to bear arms. I carry EVERYWHERE NO MATTER WHAT (only because I'm legally allowed to). Not only for myself but for other innocent people. It only takes one idiot to cause a mass casualty like Fort Hood. You never know when you may be at the grocery store, gas station, or standing in the water when trouble finds you. And just like at work, if the situation calls for it, deadly force will be used for my family, others, and myself.[/quote]
You will understand the difference in mindset being a fellow officer. To prove this tell me you haven't played this out in your mind along with many others.
"your in a gas station somewhere in the back getting chips, some perp with a 43 a mile long walks in and pulls a gun on the clerk but doesn't see you. How do I sneak around and plug this fool with out putting the bullet path towards anyone else innocent in the store?" |
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nick072010
Finger Mullet
Joined: 24 Jul 2012
Posts: 18
Location: Portland Texas
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| Posted: Sat Jul 28, 2012 5:54 pm Post subject: |
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[quote="He who shall not be mentioned"]wish more police officers were like mike3887...[/quote]
heres one :) |
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